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klinko
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I have been following this diet for the past few months and am already seeing a drastic improvement in my climbing. thanks!
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tradmanclimbs
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We got rained off the south buttress of Whitehorse NH ( not just a slab JT) a few years ago and the usual brewskies and weed were circulating the parkinglot. I was busting this guy's nut's a bit for drinking miller Lite and he informed me that he had been climbing with mark Synot and Mark suggested that he stop drinking hippy beer (micro brews, guiness etc.) and switch to the low calorie crap. In only 2 weeks he improved 2 letter grades (booze and weed talking) All bullshit aside the biggest step you can take tword loseing weight and climbing better is to knock off the booze. that being said, most of us trad guys are permantly bannished to the 10-11 range. I went Veggi for 5 years once to avoide giveing up beer and initaly lost 10lbs but never lost the second 10 that would have really done the trick. came back from ice climbing one misreable Jan. day and dived into a cheeseburger. So much for being a veggi :roll:
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jt512
Apr 4, 2004, 6:47 AM
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In reply to: All s--- aside the biggest step you can take tword loseing weight and climbing better is to knock off the booze.
No argument here.
-Jay
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Apr 5, 2004, 9:47 PM
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the best way to lose weight in a hurry is to eat a balanced diet and long distance running. Start small if you need to but its almost guaranteed that if u run or jog a mile or so each day u will watch the pounds melt off. just a thought
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Cigarettes and video games.
Cigarettes provide protein, while video games provide vitamins. If you find yourself beginning to feel weak or sick, eat a giant-sized Snickers bar and wash it back with some O'Doule's as needed.
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rokstahr39
Apr 9, 2004, 5:54 PM
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Yeah, the Atkins diet is great... if you like meat that is :lol: I was on it in 6-10 grade to control my migranes. It worked wonderfully. Except I was 5'6" and weighed barely 90 lbs lol. But I went off if and now weigh 122. Not bad I spose. I just have to watch my carbs or else I'll get headaches.
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I'm not as fortunate as some people to have a climbing gym close by, and i can only escape from college studies barely once a week to go climbing.
I am 6 feet and 170 pounds, i would like to lose about 15 pounds to help my climbing. I do have time to go to the YMCA'S gym to work out at least every other day.
What can you suggest for my situation, what should i be concentrating on at the gym?
?? I'm a little confused on what you mean by burning more calories than what you consume. I know that just sitting around burns calories through your natural body functions. If running on the treadmill for an hour burns about 700 calories, should i consume less than 700 calories that day??
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May 13, 2004, 2:54 AM
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First of all, thanks a lot for an amazing thread.
Well, I'm 21 years old, I would guess my activity level is light to moderate and, like someone else on this thread, lost an inordinate amount of weight in the recent past because of a terrible breakup. I am an extremely social person, and the social scene in my culture and age group revolves strongly around alcohol. I would guess I have 2-3 beers every other day. Rum, whiskey and vodka are also ingested regularly. So, my questions:
You said there are 7 cals per gram of alcohol, and you divided the caloric intake into percentages, where would the calories from alcohol go, proteins, fats or (as I guess) carbs?
How do you translate grams into mililiters (makes it a lot easier to guess how much of a liquid you're having)?
Are there "better" pr "worse" alcoholic beverages? I have always heard that rum and beer are the worse, while scotch and vodka are "best"?
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jt512
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In reply to: You said there are 7 cals per gram of alcohol, and you divided the caloric intake into percentages, where would the calories from alcohol go, proteins, fats or (as I guess) carbs?
d. None of the above. Alcohol isn't carbohydrate, protein, or fat. It's alcohol. So, calories from alcohol are calories from alcohol.
In reply to: How do you translate grams into mililiters (makes it a lot easier to guess how much of a liquid you're having)?
I don't know off the top of my head. I'm sure you can figure it out for yourself. It's basically a high school chemistry problem: Look up the mass density (g/ml) of ethanol and calculate its energy density (kcal/ml) using the 7 kcal/g conversion. Then you just need to know how much alcohol there is in a ml of beer, vodka, etc. The label on the bottle should tell you that (80 proof = 40% by volume).
In reply to: Are there "better" pr "worse" alcoholic beverages? I have always heard that rum and beer are the worse, while scotch and vodka are "best"?
If I'm not mistaken, drink for drink, the caloric content of most alcoholic beverages is about the same. Beer has less alcohol than hard liquor, but more carbohydrate, so it works out about the same.
-Jay
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I'd like to add the observation that losing weight for sports is a very simple process ... you simply must eat a bit less than you'd like, every day. Just a little less -- not a drastic reduction of calories. And no skipping meals -- ever.
Eat something immediately after a workout, and generally consume a healthy mix of whole foods. Forget all about skimping on carbs -- a silly fad that's no good for real athletes. Big breakfasts and small dinners. That's about all there is to it.
I've competed at a national level in two sports (cycling, triathlon) and climb solid 5.12. Being trim is a definite advantage in most sports that don't involve shoulder pads, so don't let anyone tell you that paying close attention to your weight is a bad idea.
On the other hand, losing too much weight too fast will inevitably lead to a decrease in performance.
Like all types of athletic training, real progress in weight control comes with weeks and months of steady effort. Attempts to drastically starve down to some "ideal redpoint weight" in a few weeks are an exercise in futility. But steady, controlled attention to diet provides a real performance edge.
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May 13, 2004, 6:21 PM
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In reply to: I'd like to add the observation that losing weight for sports is a very simple process ... you simply must eat a bit less than you'd like, every day. Just a little less -- not a drastic reduction of calories. And no skipping meals -- ever. Eat something immediately after a workout, and generally consume a healthy mix of whole foods. Forget all about skimping on carbs -- a silly fad that's no good for real athletes. Big breakfasts and small dinners. That's about all there is to it. .
I've found this to be really true. I've cut down on portion sizes in the last 4 months, stopped snacking and I make sure that whatever I eat is healthy. I switched to salads at lunch. I've lost 12 pounds since January and I'm still going. I think I have another 15 to lose before I'm mostly flab free.
One thing that has helped a lot is that I weight myself every day, at the same time. It's a little anal, but it gives you a really good idea of how you are doing. I try not to be too judgemental about it if I gained some since the day before, because it happens, for no good reason. But if I am consistently gaining weight, I'm either eating too much or eating too much of the wrong things. When you weight yourself that much it becomes pretty clear how you are doing.
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climbingfreak45
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im with both of the poster before me. I have just cut down on what i eat each day and the weight slowly but steadily comes off.
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Jay
I, like everyone else, read your post with great interest. It was on my mind the night my wife asked me to take her someplace expensive. When I took her to the gestation she said she had something else in mind so we went to a Dutch oven Buffet. I looked over the entrées and I thought to myself “10% fat, 30% protean, the rest carbs.” I think something may have been lost in translation because I could only guess at what I was doing. I did pass up the deep fried breaded salmon. I had a choice of Teriyaki Chicken or Barbequed chicken. I guessed that Teriyaki was “more beda”. I took some mashed potatoes and only 10% gravy. I finished off with some corn, which I had no idea where it fit either.
Does anyone make a menu book for 1800 calories with your prescribed proportions?
I don’t know if it makes any difference but my body has been around since 1943 even though I am only 18. Is there a special menu for old far….mers who are trying to get in shape for climbing or can I eat like a pumped 18 year old?
Jim
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Jul 20, 2004, 6:50 PM
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I have a question regarding canned tuna. I've always had it with mayonnaise, but is there anything else people put with it that's better for you, or do many people here just have it on its own with bread?
Thanks for a very useful thread,
Michael
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Jul 20, 2004, 6:54 PM
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I know of people who sprinkle the tuna on greens and eat it that way, maybe with some lemon. I'm sure it'd make a fine sandwich. You could just put a bit of mayo on the bread instead of making tuna salad.
Another option is a "fake" mayo. My favorite is made by Nasoya and it's called "Nayonaise." It doesn't taste exactly like mayo, but it's delicious.
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In reply to: I have a question regarding canned tuna. I've always had it with mayonnaise, but is there anything else people put with it that's better for you, or do many people here just have it on its own with bread? Thanks for a very useful thread, Michael
If you are a rock climber, mayonnaise has no place in your diet -- it's just too densly caloric. Go to your fridge right now, take out the mayo, walk over to one of your fat non-climbing neighbor's house, and give it to them.
For tuna sandwiches (on whole-grain bread, right?) I suggest mustard -- yellow or spicy. Most mustards don't have added oil (careful, some of the fancy ones do, so check the label), and have essentially no calories.
-Jay
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Jul 20, 2004, 7:28 PM
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Gotta agree with jt on the mustard. I mustard everything, my wife thinks I'm bananas. And switching to whole grain bread makes a big difference, too. More dietary fiber in your food = you get filled up on fewer calories. Hi fiber, low sugar cereals (like Kashi Go-Lean) make a great snack during the day.
I think saying "you may not eat mayo" is a little too extreme. Yes, it's very high in calories, but if you can fit it in your calories for the day, it's a welcome treat once in a while. I find that excluding entire foods or classes of food causes cravings. Eating a normal diet has helped me lose weight, then maintain it. I've maintained a 50lb weight loss for going on 6 years now.
-Joe - down from 265 to 185 as of this morning.
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How about diet during a forced layoff? I'm going to be laid up with an elective surgery for three weeks. I'm accustomed to doing cardio 4-5 times a week, yoga 4-5 times a week, as well as two 3 hour sessions of gym climbing and a day of outdoor climbing per week. I know I'm going to go insane from lack of activity, but I wonder if I can at least keep myself in reasonable shape as I lie around the house watching my muscles atrophy. My thought was to keep my protein high, lower fat, and reduce the carbs a bit. But I vaguely remember an article suggesting that healing is improved with higher carbs. Optimal diet for out of commission athletes?
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Is there a minimum amount of saturated fat that you need to be healthy? Or should you always just strive to minimize it?
Also, I know it was answered in pieces in this thread, but can anyone provide a good percentage breakdown of carbs/protein/fats?
In this thread I found that protein should be around 25%, but didn't see a clear answer on the fats and carbs.
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the only problem I have with tuna is the UNKNOWN mercury and lead levels...
there is no way to know from one can to another what the levels are and its is VERY possible to get mecury and lead poisioning from eating canned tuna.
this is an interesting article on some random level testing... http://www.ewire.com/display.cfm/Wire_ID/1648
I for one, just don't eat it that often... isn't anything SAFE anymore??
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In reply to: the only problem I have with tuna is the UNKNOWN mercury and lead levels... there is no way to know from one can to another what the levels are and its is VERY possible to get mecury and lead poisioning from eating canned tuna. :-/
First of all, JT, this is so great. I ignore this site for the most part because it seems like so much crap to wade htorugh to get to gems like this. I can't wait to show my RN/ personal trainer/nutritionist wife this stuff.
send13- two options I know of to reduce mercury and lead levels-
1. more expensive, but try canned salmon
2. I am sold on the new tuna in flat, ziptop packaging. There is no draining, it packs into a pack easily, no need for a can opener. Plus, sometimes you can find the flavored options. I like "hickory smoked" and "lemon & garlic"
And finally; JT,
My wife forbids mayonaise in the house, but I am allowed miracle whip. Excuse my ignorance, but is the difference between the two big enough? I love my miracle whip. I am a 4% body fat freak, eat a balanced diet and run, climb or kayak 6 days a week. My climbing has seen gradually improvement over a ten year career, but my weight has pretty much remained the same(145-ish/5'9") I wouldn't be concerned except for your "absolute" restriction on mayonaise. I don't eat a lot of it, but I don't hold back either.
thanks again.
wish rc.com could pay you for this great forum.
your time is appreciated.
jer
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salmon.. good idea, but still not good for the environment :-(
as for the packaged tuna, its still tuna and the packaging has nothing to do with the levels of lead and mecury :-(
as for Miracle Whip vs Mayo... Miracle Whip is NOT Mayo... eek!!
Miracle Whip is some weird combination of oils and stuff (I can't figure out what on the web and I won't buy the stuff)...
mayo is a nice homoginzed combination of oil, egg yolks, vinegar, leomon juice, and some pepper to taste. Its actually VERY easy to make yourself...
I just don't LIKE MW at all... I grew up on Mayo and love it.
(why won't your wife allow it in the house?)
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In reply to: Is there a minimum amount of saturated fat that you need to be healthy? Or should you always just strive to minimize it?
We have no nutritional need for saturated fat, and it raises serum cholesterol levels. Therefore, unsaturated fats should predominate over saturated fats in the diet.
In reply to: Also, I know it was answered in pieces in this thread, but can anyone provide a good percentage breakdown of carbs/protein/fats?
That is clearly answered in my first post in the thread.
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