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overlord
Aug 24, 2005, 8:16 PM
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he got the boot. i was sorry to see him go though :P
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edge
Aug 24, 2005, 8:23 PM
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In reply to: is that why ptpp writes an article for a mag now.
And a sh!tty, self important article at that. I am glad I learned real aid technique before being exposed to "The Better Way."
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ricardol
Aug 24, 2005, 10:12 PM
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In reply to: is that why ptpp writes an article for a mag now. and Richard DiCredico is cleaning up the crime at Twall it's just that this site is managed by a bunch noobs that yell take. that's right!
.. that would have been my guess too ..
.. the signal to noise ratio at st.com is out of control -- what i am pointing to is that the way the forum is run, has a direct link to the fact that noone uses the aid forum here. --
.. basically we dont even have a signal here ..
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crimpandgo
Aug 24, 2005, 10:19 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: is that why ptpp writes an article for a mag now. and Richard DiCredico is cleaning up the crime at Twall it's just that this site is managed by a bunch noobs that yell take. that's right! .. that would have been my guess too .. .. the signal to noise ratio at st.com is out of control -- what i am pointing to is that the way the forum is run, has a direct link to the fact that noone uses the aid forum here. -- .. basically we dont even have a signal here ..
complain complain complain....
volunteer your time? make suggestions?
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philbox
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Aug 24, 2005, 10:29 PM
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I`m very happy to take suggestions on board.
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ricardol
Aug 24, 2005, 10:30 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: is that why ptpp writes an article for a mag now. and Richard DiCredico is cleaning up the crime at Twall it's just that this site is managed by a bunch noobs that yell take. that's right! .. that would have been my guess too .. .. the signal to noise ratio at st.com is out of control -- what i am pointing to is that the way the forum is run, has a direct link to the fact that noone uses the aid forum here. -- .. basically we dont even have a signal here .. complain complain complain.... volunteer your time? make suggestions?
uhhh ... volunteer to do what? -- babysit the empty forum? ..
.. i am making suggestions -- i'm suggesting that whatever the forum managers did to scare everyone away, be undone..
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dingus
Aug 24, 2005, 10:32 PM
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In reply to: make suggestions?
I have some!
Stop taking all these forums so seriously that you feel the site is lacking because aid climbing is under-represented. Does this site have to be all things to all climbers?
I have noted a similar lack of signal in the bouldering forum. Since that Cocks dude left, there has basically been no action there at all save some nice propping up by curt and bvb.
A site-to-site link to b.com and st.com when clicking on those respective forums would be the *best thing* in terms of community service.
While you're at it, lose the stupid slack lining forum too. Hot link that forum to http://www.ringling.com
Glad to be of assistance!
DMT
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darkside
Aug 24, 2005, 11:10 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: he got the boot. i was sorry to see him go though :P Au contraire, more like a mutual parting of the ways.
That's not what he told me when I met and asked him.
Misinformation?
Confusion?
Someone just plain lying?
Puerility?
:roll: Who bloody cares. It makes no difference to me where Pete posts but I've seen two sides of this website myself, with a nice combo of the above.
This site (like anywhere on the web, and real life) has it's share of self important, control freak, ego-trippers.
It makes me feel dirty just thinking about it. I should go and clean up by posting in community :twisted:
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ricardol
Aug 24, 2005, 11:18 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: make suggestions? I have some! Stop taking all these forums so seriously that you feel the site is lacking because aid climbing is under-represented. Does this site have to be all things to all climbers? I have noted a similar lack of signal in the bouldering forum. Since that Cocks dude left, there has basically been no action there at all save some nice propping up by curt and bvb. A site-to-site link to b.com and st.com when clicking on those respective forums would be the *best thing* in terms of community service. While you're at it, lose the stupid slack lining forum too. Hot link that forum to http://www.ringling.com Glad to be of assistance! DMT
godamm! -- dingus is the voice of reason..
thanks.
[i'm off to st.com to see what the latest liberal vs. conservative mud slinging has to offer]
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skinner
Aug 25, 2005, 3:42 AM
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I don't know or care what PTPP did; he was gone before I came along.
Yet his posts were still being resurrected on a regular basis with people both endorsing and pooh-pooh-ing his "Better Way" techniques for quite some time.
The one thing that Pete’s posts accomplished was.. they generated a great deal of discussion.
In Pete’s absence, the Zion history thread has been one of the few worthwhile aid threads.
Lately it seems like the only NEW threads I see are "What is Aid Climbing?"
Can you send them to Super Taco too?
:wink:
Complaining? Me? Naw.. just think that the aid forum could use another Pete.. or two.
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lambone
Aug 25, 2005, 5:52 AM
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I think you should let Pete back, as long as he behaves curtiously to others.
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squish
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philbox
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Aug 25, 2005, 6:13 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: I think you should let Pete back, as long as he behaves curtiously to others. I think they'd need to buy some more hard drives to store all those [colour] and tags first...
As Tim stated Pete coming back is not an option.
Heh, we don`t have enough storage space for all the html he used to use in his posts.
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lambone
Aug 25, 2005, 6:44 AM
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In reply to: I`m very happy to take suggestions on board.
you asked...
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ricardol
Aug 25, 2005, 7:12 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: I`m very happy to take suggestions on board. you asked...
.. you guys should seriously consider bringing him back .. i mean -- if even lambone suggested it ...
.. you can't accuse lambone of being a ptpp supporter --
matt -- how's it going buddy? -- got plans to be in the valley this fall?
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flamer
Aug 25, 2005, 3:44 PM
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In reply to: .. the aid forum is all but dead .. not just because they booted pete, but because the population of aid climbers (experienced or not) is basically single digits.
Pete had something to do with that....he wanted to be the one and only...and he'd get all bent out of shape if someone else knew something....they'd get sick of his BS and either leave or just quit posting.
josh
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ricardol
Aug 25, 2005, 4:46 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: .. the aid forum is all but dead .. not just because they booted pete, but because the population of aid climbers (experienced or not) is basically single digits. Pete had something to do with that....he wanted to be the one and only...and he'd get all bent out of shape if someone else knew something....they'd get sick of his BS and either leave or just quit posting. josh
.. agreed .. i think this argument was made while he was still here ..
my hypothesis on the absence of experienced aid climbers on this forum goes like this.. (in no particular order)
#1 - admins who were also users.. (one minute you were an admin dishing out policy -- the next you were dishing out flame-bait or plain-ole-flames)
#2 - overbearing policies.. (compare/contrast to supertopo -- where as long as you dont post that you are part of an al-quaeda cell, its pretty much ok) -- and you rarely see chris mac getting involved to resolve any issues.
#3 - software that encourages newbies (or just people who dont know much about the topic) to post to every thread.
* every post gets on the front page, and most of the time people dont know that it came from the aid forum
* it elevates the noob/signal ratio.
#4 - flamers reason (above) --
.. thats my hypothesis ..
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piton
Aug 25, 2005, 4:52 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: is that why ptpp writes an article for a mag now. And a sh!tty, self important article at that. I am glad I learned real aid technique before being exposed to "The Better Way."
overheard edge at the cliff "TAKE!"
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dingus
Aug 25, 2005, 5:03 PM
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In reply to: my hypothesis on the absence of experienced aid climbers on this forum goes like this.. (in no particular order) #1 - admins who were also users.. #2 - overbearing policies.. #3 - software that encourages newbies (or just people who dont know much about the topic) to post to every thread. #4 - flamers reason (above) -- .. thats my hypothesis ..
Considering the st crowd as the baseline for honest to god aid climbers, I think your reason #3 is truly #1 and is Zuess-like in its ability to overrule all the other reasons, all at the same time.
It isn't that wall climbers are intolerant of noobies. Oh hell, yes it is! The learning curve to wall competence is very steep (get it... STEEP???). These guys have paid their dues the honest way, standing in aiders. They seem to prefer talking to others of similar experience and expertise, saves a helluva lotta time on explanations.
I mean, really... consider Klaus in the rc.com midst. He just wouldn't last.
However, there ARE some very experienced aid climbers on rc.com obviously. Most of them don't seem to have the need to be the world's foremost internet aid teachers. Neither does ptpp anymore, it would seem.
I like him much better now.
DMT
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edge
Aug 25, 2005, 5:16 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: is that why ptpp writes an article for a mag now. And a sh!tty, self important article at that. I am glad I learned real aid technique before being exposed to "The Better Way." overheard edge at the cliff "TAKE!"
Really? Where was that?
I have probably logged 100X more feet in air time than you have spent in years living.
I guess my response to your PM was too brutal, and you now need to spew bullsh!t to compensate for your lack of manhood.
Congrats!
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skinner
Aug 25, 2005, 6:14 PM
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In reply to: #3 - software that encourages newbies (or just people who dont know much about the topic) to post to every thread. * every post gets on the front page, and most of the time people dont know that it came from the aid forum * it elevates the noob/signal ratio. #4 - flamers reason (above) --
You know.. ricardol has a very good point here.
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jt512
Aug 25, 2005, 6:33 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: my hypothesis on the absence of experienced aid climbers on this forum goes like this.. (in no particular order) #1 - admins who were also users.. #2 - overbearing policies.. #3 - software that encourages newbies (or just people who dont know much about the topic) to post to every thread. #4 - flamers reason (above) -- .. thats my hypothesis .. Considering the st crowd as the baseline for honest to god aid climbers, I think your reason #3 is truly #1
Based on my sample of N=1 elite aid climbing friends, I agree. Too much wading thru mass quantities of redundant posts by almost completely illiterate adolescents to possibly find a hidden gem or two of useful information. He'll have nothing to do with the site.
-Jay
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