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sp115
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Stoves wrote: First you call me stupid, then a troll and now a male enigma. Sounds like progress. I love you two spike FWIW, I don't know any fat, unhealthy, vegetarians. So barring any cited studies, I still understand why you might assume they are healthier as a group. But as a self-confessed grammar-Nazi, I feel compelled to point out the incorrect usage of the word "two".* * but I would never call you a "male enigma", that just sounds dirty
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Stoves
Mar 15, 2011, 8:13 PM
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Thanks for the correction I do my best trying to avoid grammar mistakes.
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spikeddem
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Stoves wrote: First you call me stupid, then a troll and now a male enigma. Sounds like progress. I love you two spike FWIW, I also claim that enigma is a troll, and have killfiled her accordingly. Although, I don't believe I've ever called you stupid.
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sp115
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camhead wrote: sp115 wrote: But as a self-confessed grammar-Nazi, I feel compelled to point out the incorrect usage of the word "two".* Actually, that makes you more of a spelling Nazi than a grammar Nazi. Well, I’ll see your banana, and raise you two coconuts. “Two” is spelled correctly, which is why I said it was used incorrectly. And since morphology is a subset grammar, I felt it most accurate to describe myself as a grammar-Nazi.
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camhead
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sp115 wrote: camhead wrote: sp115 wrote: But as a self-confessed grammar-Nazi, I feel compelled to point out the incorrect usage of the word "two".* Actually, that makes you more of a spelling Nazi than a grammar Nazi. Well, I’ll see your banana, and raise you two coconuts. “Two” is spelled correctly, which is why I said it was used incorrectly. And since morphology is a subset grammar, I felt it most accurate to describe myself as a grammar-Nazi. No, it was spelled incorrectly. He accidentally used a "w" instead of an "o."
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chadnsc
Mar 15, 2011, 11:30 PM
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spikeddem wrote: Stoves wrote: First you call me stupid, then a troll and now a male enigma. Sounds like progress. I love you two spike FWIW, I also claim that enigma is a troll, and have killfiled her accordingly. Although, I don't believe I've ever called you stupid. Well unless someone has taken over enigma's account there are several users who have met the ball-o-crazy in person and vouch for her 'various social disorders'. Then again it could all be one elaborate troll with users vouching for her being real when in fact she isn't. Now that would be cool.
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sp115
Mar 16, 2011, 2:31 AM
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camhead wrote: sp115 wrote: camhead wrote: sp115 wrote: But as a self-confessed grammar-Nazi, I feel compelled to point out the incorrect usage of the word "two".* Actually, that makes you more of a spelling Nazi than a grammar Nazi. Well, I’ll see your banana, and raise you two coconuts. “Two” is spelled correctly, which is why I said it was used incorrectly. And since morphology is a subset grammar, I felt it most accurate to describe myself as a grammar-Nazi. No, it was spelled incorrectly. He accidentally used a "w" instead of an "o." Ewe Kant bee Sirius?
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KeitaroHoshi
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Here is my best recipe. List of things you need. 4 bundles of collared green leaves(4 plants), 1 pounds of baby carrots, 1 sweet onion, 1 large tomato, lemon pepper 1 heaping table spoon, tabasco sauce 2 table spoons, soy sauce 4 table spoons, water vegetable oil Preparation: Cut away stems from collareds, cut leaves into 2 inch squares. mix leaves with 1/3 cup vegetable oil. Dice the tomato 3/4" squares. Dice the onion 1" squares. place in a wok and simmer on medium tossing leaves and cook evenly for 15 min. Add diced tomato, and one pound of baby carrots. Add 1/2 cup of water. Toss or stir the leaves, tomato, and carrots for 5 min on medium. Add tabasco sauce and soy sauce. Add the onion and cook for 10 min. constantly stirring and tossing so nothing sticks to the bottom of the pot or Wok more oil may be needed-add in small amounts until desired amount is reached. Mix in lemon pepper, serve while hot. Note: every thing can be separately cooked. You don't want the onions to soft (they get sticky), You don't want to cook the carrots to long (they get mushy), You don't want to forget to stir the greens (they can burn and stick to pot). If you cook every thing just right you will end up with crisp greens with crisp pan fried carrots and onions with a hint of spice and tomato. Note: collared greens can be pungent if you are not used to eating them. The trick to enjoying this dish is to breath the aroma of the vegetables while you chew. This dish will also help alleviate chest congestion. Enjoy
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enigma
Mar 16, 2011, 5:47 AM
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KeitaroHoshi wrote: Here is my best recipe. List of things you need. 4 bundles of collared green leaves(4 plants), 1 pounds of baby carrots, 1 sweet onion, 1 large tomato, lemon pepper 1 heaping table spoon, tabasco sauce 2 table spoons, soy sauce 4 table spoons, water vegetable oil Preparation: Cut away stems from collareds, cut leaves into 2 inch squares. mix leaves with 1/3 cup vegetable oil. Dice the tomato 3/4" squares. Dice the onion 1" squares. place in a wok and simmer on medium tossing leaves and cook evenly for 15 min. Add diced tomato, and one pound of baby carrots. Add 1/2 cup of water. Toss or stir the leaves, tomato, and carrots for 5 min on medium. Add tabasco sauce and soy sauce. Add the onion and cook for 10 min. constantly stirring and tossing so nothing sticks to the bottom of the pot or Wok more oil may be needed-add in small amounts until desired amount is reached. Mix in lemon pepper, serve while hot. Note: every thing can be separately cooked. You don't want the onions to soft (they get sticky), You don't want to cook the carrots to long (they get mushy), You don't want to forget to stir the greens (they can burn and stick to pot). If you cook every thing just right you will end up with crisp greens with crisp pan fried carrots and onions with a hint of spice and tomato. Note: collared greens can be pungent if you are not used to eating them. The trick to enjoying this dish is to breath the aroma of the vegetables while you chew. This dish will also help alleviate chest congestion. Enjoy Thanks for sharing it sound tasty,
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enigma
Mar 16, 2011, 5:51 AM
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saint_john wrote: In reply to: Hey lets share our favorite vegetarian and vegan favorite recipes , What's yours? I make quinoa porridge with almond milk for breakfast. I usually throw slivered almonds, fruit, cinnamon and honey in it. thanks, I like maple syrup too!!
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KeitaroHoshi
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I like bit-o-honey candy. Hey, I thought we were trading recepies here.
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enigma
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enigma wrote: shockabuku wrote: marc801 wrote: shockabuku wrote: More like all week. I had it when I was 18. It was a very bad experience. Out of curiosity, was it confirmed as salmonella? Quite unpleasantly, yes. BREITBART- WASHINGTON ASSOCIATED PRESS AUGUST 10 2010 2000 Cases Reported -Christopher Braden-Epidemoligist- Federal Center of Disease Control This form of salmonella is tied to outbreak can be passed from chickens that appear healthy grows inside egg not just on shell/ 1/2 billion eggs recalled Iowa Hillandale Farms connected earlier this week Wright County Farm 380 million recalled 14 states cases often go undetected due to people not going to doctors and hospitals to get stool samples. Estimates cases of poisoning may be 30 times higher than reported-FDA /CDC This is recent and not from an egg company . Its a neutral source . Obviously not all eggs were affected. However it is a word of caution. So if you climb and get injured I'm sure its no big deal to get sick from salmonella. Continue On.
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enigma
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cracklover wrote: jt512 wrote: enigma wrote: What's your thought on blue zones where people live 100 and stay healthy, such as Okinawa, Ikaria, Sardina. and Costa Rica island on the Nicoya Penisula ? The only one of those regions whose dietary pattern I'm familiar with is Okanawa, which was studied in the 1960s in the Seven Countries Study. The Okinawans had the longest lifespan in the study. Back then, at least, their diet was plant based and low in total and saturated fat. They were also physically active. So, yeah, I think their diet played a role in their longevity. In reply to: Are you familiar with The New England Centurian Study where they can predict with a 77% accuracy of living to 100 with your genome ,various genetic markers? The New England Centenarian Study. This is the first I've heard of it, actually. I looked up their paper that was published in Science, and you're right: they have a genetic model that they claim has 77% predictive power. However, their statistical methodology has received serious criticism. Jay I read about that study when it came out. One of the most interesting things about it hasn't been mentioned here. The people who have the markers they've identified not only live longer they also live better. IIRC, this was not what they were specifically looking for, it was an un-anticipated correlation. Basically these people experienced old age the way most of us will experience middle age: yes there are problems, but they are not debilitating, and the body and mind basically work great. It's quite remarkable, actually. If further study backs up their findings, I bet there will be a lot of interest in those few families lucky enough to contain those genes. Just for example, imagine how much you could make as a sperm donor to a rich and powerful family... GO Jay,what was the diet that people living in blue zones had where they lived to 100? The New England Cenetarian study, do you know what their diet was? Is it in the research? Did their research show any of predictors of living to 100 by 77% besides their genetic markers? Could any of those genetic markers be influenced by their diet ? So if you had a healthy diet do you see any correlation of their survival and passing these genes (genomes) to the next generation? Hypothetically could this be an example of "survival of the fittest" in some manner?
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Mar 16, 2011, 9:38 AM
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enigma wrote: Jay,what was the diet that people living in blue zones had where they lived to 100? The New England Cenetarian study, do you know what their diet was? Is it in the research? Did their research show any of predictors of living to 100 by 77% besides their genetic markers? Could any of those genetic markers be influenced by their diet ? So if you had a healthy diet do you see any correlation of their survival and passing these genes (genomes) to the next generation? Hypothetically could this be an example of "survival of the fittest" in some manner? You're a Lamarckian?
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cracklover
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enigma wrote: So if you had a healthy diet do you see any correlation of their survival and passing these genes (genomes) to the next generation? Hypothetically could this be an example of "survival of the fittest" in some manner? No. But... If modern Western culture survived long enough, there might actually be a tiny bit of evolutionary pressure toward a predilection to liking the taste of vegetables over fat/sugar/salt. I say tiny because A - These things kill you mostly after, not before, child-bearing age, so there's not much selective pressure there, and B - We have millions of years of strong selective pressure towards getting as much fat/salt/sugar as we could in our diet. That's not getting reversed any time soon. GO
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enigma wrote: cracklover wrote: jt512 wrote: enigma wrote: What's your thought on blue zones where people live 100 and stay healthy, such as Okinawa, Ikaria, Sardina. and Costa Rica island on the Nicoya Penisula ? The only one of those regions whose dietary pattern I'm familiar with is Okanawa, which was studied in the 1960s in the Seven Countries Study. The Okinawans had the longest lifespan in the study. Back then, at least, their diet was plant based and low in total and saturated fat. They were also physically active. So, yeah, I think their diet played a role in their longevity. In reply to: Are you familiar with The New England Centurian Study where they can predict with a 77% accuracy of living to 100 with your genome ,various genetic markers? The New England Centenarian Study. This is the first I've heard of it, actually. I looked up their paper that was published in Science, and you're right: they have a genetic model that they claim has 77% predictive power. However, their statistical methodology has received serious criticism. Jay I read about that study when it came out. One of the most interesting things about it hasn't been mentioned here. The people who have the markers they've identified not only live longer they also live better. IIRC, this was not what they were specifically looking for, it was an un-anticipated correlation. Basically these people experienced old age the way most of us will experience middle age: yes there are problems, but they are not debilitating, and the body and mind basically work great. It's quite remarkable, actually. If further study backs up their findings, I bet there will be a lot of interest in those few families lucky enough to contain those genes. Just for example, imagine how much you could make as a sperm donor to a rich and powerful family... GO Jay,what was the diet that people living in blue zones had where they lived to 100? The New England Cenetarian study, do you know what their diet was? Is it in the research? Did their research show any of predictors of living to 100 by 77% besides their genetic markers? Could any of those genetic markers be influenced by their diet ? So if you had a healthy diet do you see any correlation of their survival and passing these genes (genomes) to the next generation? Hypothetically could this be an example of "survival of the fittest" in some manner? Oh my god people, you almost got through to her. I'm impressed.
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jt512 wrote: redrattie wrote: jt512 wrote: redrattie wrote: jt512 wrote: redrattie wrote: Thanks for the coconut oil tip, I've been looking for something with a little bit of flavor to replace butter when I fry veggies for sandwiches. Not concerned at all with saturated fat, more concerned with whether coconut oil contains fructose. Anyone know if it contains fructose? (I don't eat anything with sugar) Too funny! Jay Glad I was able to bring a laugh to your day, though not sure which part of my question you found to be most funny. Sorry. You sounded just like a Paleo diet faddist. They think saturated fat is healthy and they're paranoid about fructose. I don't think you have to worry about fructose being in any oil. Sugars aren't fat soluble. Jay Damn, had I known what Paleo was, I would have laughed with you, and then asked the serious question a couple posts later. Thanks for the info on the oil. I've been a vegetarian for 20+ years and the only thing separating me from becoming vegan is the butter. What bothers me more than butter is all the high fructose corn syrup being added to products that never used to be there. I now make most of my meals from scratch and have stopped eating out since what used to be safe food, no longer is with all that added sugar. You probably should be concerned about saturated fat intake. Saturated fat increases serum cholesterol, which increases the risk of heart disease. Like I said up-thread, I haven't had butter in my home for two decades. I can't think of anything you can do with butter that you can't do with either olive oil or canola oil, and you'll be healthier by doing it. As to my comment about sugars being insoluble in fats, I hope I wasn't being to glib. In theory, everything is soluble in everything to some extent. So even though sugars are considered to be insoluble in fats, if coconuts contain fructose, then there could be trace amounts of fructose in coconut oil. I would think that the concentration would be too low to be of concern, but perhaps you should contact a dietitian or physician to be certain. Jay I agree butter is death. I only use about 4 tbsp per week and will give it up once I find a tasty substitute for cooking portabella mushrooms for "burgers". Luckily my cholesterol levels are in the optimal range. I appreciate the details on fructose content in oil, it was better than responses I've received in the past from my nutritionist who just gives me a yes or no, but never a why.
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KeitaroHoshi wrote: Here is my best recipe. <previously quoted recipe snipped> Sounds like an excellent accompaniment to a nice, rare, USDA Prime steak.
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redrattie wrote: jt512 wrote: redrattie wrote: jt512 wrote: redrattie wrote: jt512 wrote: redrattie wrote: Thanks for the coconut oil tip, I've been looking for something with a little bit of flavor to replace butter when I fry veggies for sandwiches. Not concerned at all with saturated fat, more concerned with whether coconut oil contains fructose. Anyone know if it contains fructose? (I don't eat anything with sugar) Too funny! Jay Glad I was able to bring a laugh to your day, though not sure which part of my question you found to be most funny. Sorry. You sounded just like a Paleo diet faddist. They think saturated fat is healthy and they're paranoid about fructose. I don't think you have to worry about fructose being in any oil. Sugars aren't fat soluble. Jay Damn, had I known what Paleo was, I would have laughed with you, and then asked the serious question a couple posts later. Thanks for the info on the oil. I've been a vegetarian for 20+ years and the only thing separating me from becoming vegan is the butter. What bothers me more than butter is all the high fructose corn syrup being added to products that never used to be there. I now make most of my meals from scratch and have stopped eating out since what used to be safe food, no longer is with all that added sugar. You probably should be concerned about saturated fat intake. Saturated fat increases serum cholesterol, which increases the risk of heart disease. Like I said up-thread, I haven't had butter in my home for two decades. I can't think of anything you can do with butter that you can't do with either olive oil or canola oil, and you'll be healthier by doing it. As to my comment about sugars being insoluble in fats, I hope I wasn't being to glib. In theory, everything is soluble in everything to some extent. So even though sugars are considered to be insoluble in fats, if coconuts contain fructose, then there could be trace amounts of fructose in coconut oil. I would think that the concentration would be too low to be of concern, but perhaps you should contact a dietitian or physician to be certain. Jay I agree butter is death. I only use about 4 tbsp per week and will give it up once I find a tasty substitute for cooking portabella mushrooms for "burgers". Luckily my cholesterol levels are in the optimal range. I appreciate the details on fructose content in oil, it was better than responses I've received in the past from my nutritionist who just gives me a yes or no, but never a why. What's your recipe for those "portabella mushroom burgersr" ?
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Rufsen wrote: enigma wrote: Jay,what was the diet that people living in blue zones had where they lived to 100? The New England Cenetarian study, do you know what their diet was? Is it in the research? Did their research show any of predictors of living to 100 by 77% besides their genetic markers? Could any of those genetic markers be influenced by their diet ? So if you had a healthy diet do you see any correlation of their survival and passing these genes (genomes) to the next generation? Hypothetically could this be an example of "survival of the fittest" in some manner? You're a Lamarckian? Are you in scientific research?
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enigma wrote: Rufsen wrote: enigma wrote: Jay,what was the diet that people living in blue zones had where they lived to 100? The New England Cenetarian study, do you know what their diet was? Is it in the research? Did their research show any of predictors of living to 100 by 77% besides their genetic markers? Could any of those genetic markers be influenced by their diet ? So if you had a healthy diet do you see any correlation of their survival and passing these genes (genomes) to the next generation? Hypothetically could this be an example of "survival of the fittest" in some manner? You're a Lamarckian? Are you in scientific research? It's Saint Patrick's Day, I think he means you're looking for a pot of gold.
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Gmburns2000 wrote: enigma wrote: Rufsen wrote: enigma wrote: Jay,what was the diet that people living in blue zones had where they lived to 100? The New England Cenetarian study, do you know what their diet was? Is it in the research? Did their research show any of predictors of living to 100 by 77% besides their genetic markers? Could any of those genetic markers be influenced by their diet ? So if you had a healthy diet do you see any correlation of their survival and passing these genes (genomes) to the next generation? Hypothetically could this be an example of "survival of the fittest" in some manner? You're a Lamarckian? Are you in scientific research? It's Saint Patrick's Day, I think he means you're looking for a pot of gold. Its a theory. Look it up .
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