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Since this thread seems to be about diet in general, I'll just post my question here. How're dried egg whites in comparison to the real thing? I mean from a diet perspective, not a taste perspective. I'm going to be on the road a lot this spring/summer, and I have been thinking that dried egg whites would be one less thing that would need to stay cold.
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saint_john
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spikeddem wrote: Since this thread seems to be about diet in general, I'll just post my question here. How're dried egg whites in comparison to the real thing? I mean from a diet perspective, not a taste perspective. I'm going to be on the road a lot this spring/summer, and I have been thinking that dried egg whites would be one less thing that would need to stay cold. are there even any nutrients in egg whites?
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spikeddem
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saint_john wrote: spikeddem wrote: Since this thread seems to be about diet in general, I'll just post my question here. How're dried egg whites in comparison to the real thing? I mean from a diet perspective, not a taste perspective. I'm going to be on the road a lot this spring/summer, and I have been thinking that dried egg whites would be one less thing that would need to stay cold. are there even any nutrients in egg whites? One large egg white contains no cholesterol, but has 4.7 grams of protein. Daily maximum recommended cholesterol for a healthy adult (no cholesterol issues) is 300 mg. One large egg (yolk+white) has 213 mg of cholesterol. There is almost no fat in the white.
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jt512
Mar 21, 2011, 6:54 PM
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spikeddem wrote: saint_john wrote: spikeddem wrote: Since this thread seems to be about diet in general, I'll just post my question here. How're dried egg whites in comparison to the real thing? I mean from a diet perspective, not a taste perspective. I'm going to be on the road a lot this spring/summer, and I have been thinking that dried egg whites would be one less thing that would need to stay cold. are there even any nutrients in egg whites? One large egg white contains no cholesterol, but has 4.7 grams of protein. Daily maximum recommended cholesterol for a healthy adult (no cholesterol issues) is 300 mg. One large egg (yolk+white) has 213 mg of cholesterol. 372 mg, according to the USDA nutrient database, which can answer almost any question about the nutrient content of foods. They even list dried egg white. Jay
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jt512 wrote: spikeddem wrote: saint_john wrote: spikeddem wrote: Since this thread seems to be about diet in general, I'll just post my question here. How're dried egg whites in comparison to the real thing? I mean from a diet perspective, not a taste perspective. I'm going to be on the road a lot this spring/summer, and I have been thinking that dried egg whites would be one less thing that would need to stay cold. are there even any nutrients in egg whites? One large egg white contains no cholesterol, but has 4.7 grams of protein. Daily maximum recommended cholesterol for a healthy adult (no cholesterol issues) is 300 mg. One large egg (yolk+white) has 213 mg of cholesterol. 372 mg, according to the USDA nutrient database, which can answer almost any question about the nutrient content of foods. They even list dried egg white. Jay Thanks for that resource. Your number of 372 mg is for 100 grams of egg, not one large egg (50 g), according to the USDA site you provided.
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spikeddem wrote: jt512 wrote: spikeddem wrote: saint_john wrote: spikeddem wrote: Since this thread seems to be about diet in general, I'll just post my question here. How're dried egg whites in comparison to the real thing? I mean from a diet perspective, not a taste perspective. I'm going to be on the road a lot this spring/summer, and I have been thinking that dried egg whites would be one less thing that would need to stay cold. are there even any nutrients in egg whites? One large egg white contains no cholesterol, but has 4.7 grams of protein. Daily maximum recommended cholesterol for a healthy adult (no cholesterol issues) is 300 mg. One large egg (yolk+white) has 213 mg of cholesterol. 372 mg, according to the USDA nutrient database, which can answer almost any question about the nutrient content of foods. They even list dried egg white. Jay Thanks for that resource. Your number of 372 mg is for 100 grams of egg, not one large egg (50 g), according to the USDA site you provided. You're right. I was looking at the wrong column. I thought that number looked too high. Jay
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http://www.prana.com/blog/2010/08/04/veggy-magazine-japan-interview-with-steph-davis/
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intersting interview with Steph Davis... from the article "There have been scientific studies that have shown that when animals die in a state of terror, there’s so much adrenaline and tension in them that it leaves chemicals spread through the body. Killing that animal and eating its meat filled with bad adrenalin and chemicals is obviously not good for your brain or your body. It makes people crazy and aggressive." thought??
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saint_john wrote: intersting interview with Steph Davis... from the article "There have been scientific studies that have shown that when animals die in a state of terror, there’s so much adrenaline and tension in them that it leaves chemicals spread through the body. Killing that animal and eating its meat filled with bad adrenalin and chemicals is obviously not good for your brain or your body. It makes people crazy and aggressive." thought?? Yeah, sneak up on them and kill them while they sleep... would be fine unless their having nightmares.
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saint_john wrote: intersting interview with Steph Davis... from the article "There have been scientific studies that have shown that when animals die in a state of terror, there’s so much adrenaline and tension in them that it leaves chemicals spread through the body. Killing that animal and eating its meat filled with bad adrenalin and chemicals is obviously not good for your brain or your body. It makes people crazy and aggressive." thought?? My thought is that Steph Davis should stick to climbing.
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saint_john wrote: intersting interview with Steph Davis... from the article "There have been scientific studies that have shown that when animals die in a state of terror, there’s so much adrenaline and tension in them that it leaves chemicals spread through the body. Killing that animal and eating its meat filled with bad adrenalin and chemicals is obviously not good for your brain or your body. It makes people crazy and aggressive." thought?? I've rarely seen that much unsubstantiated new-age PETA bull shit crammed into a mere 3 sentences.
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jt512
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saint_john wrote: intersting interview with Steph Davis... from the article "There have been scientific studies that have shown that when animals die in a state of terror, there’s so much adrenaline and tension in them that it leaves chemicals spread through the body. Killing that animal and eating its meat filled with bad adrenalin and chemicals is obviously not good for your brain or your body. It makes people crazy and aggressive." thought?? Standard vegan mythology. Jay
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enigma wrote: Before the Ice Age humans didn't eat meat, and we ate mostly a vegetarian diet, afterwards we ate meat, when vegetation wasn't readily available. Climbers who generally are dirtbagging often don't include perishable foods in their diet as well. Personally I have known quite a few vegan climbers who are excellent. In addition monkeys and apes are excellent climbers and exist on vegetarian diet unless there is survival need for them to eat meat. So Climbers who eat meat vs vegetarian who has more endurance and climbs better? Or it doesn't matter? I was a vegetarian (the kind that doesn't eat any meat, including fish) from 15-23 yrs. old. I'm 31 now, I can't testify to the science of it. I can say this, it's easier to be lean and get the protein you need while eating meat. It's a side benefit that everytime you meet someone new you don't have to defend why you don't eat meat and unintentionally hurt others feelings/make them defensive. :) Personally, I feel better if I do eat meat as long as it's in moderation. ALso, I read years ago that creatine is only found in certain meats and in nothing else, millions of body builders probably aren't wrong. That being said, I'm glad I was vege for 8 years. It took alot of disipline and independent thought to achieve this. I believe that in of itself has benefitted me in many ways since. Including in climbing and my business among other things.
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jt512
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flesh wrote: enigma wrote: Before the Ice Age humans didn't eat meat, and we ate mostly a vegetarian diet, afterwards we ate meat, when vegetation wasn't readily available. Climbers who generally are dirtbagging often don't include perishable foods in their diet as well. Personally I have known quite a few vegan climbers who are excellent. In addition monkeys and apes are excellent climbers and exist on vegetarian diet unless there is survival need for them to eat meat. So Climbers who eat meat vs vegetarian who has more endurance and climbs better? Or it doesn't matter? I was a vegetarian (the kind that doesn't eat any meat, including fish) from 15-23 yrs. old. I'm 31 now, I can't testify to the science of it. No, actually you can't—not based on your subjective experience, anyway.
In reply to: ALso, I read years ago that creatine is only found in certain meats and in nothing else . . . That is both true and irrelevant, since your body produces all the creatine it needs.
In reply to: . . . millions of body builders probably aren't wrong. Hopefully, you meant that sarcastically. Jay
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saint_john wrote: intersting interview with Steph Davis... from the article "There have been scientific studies that have shown that when animals die in a state of terror, there’s so much adrenaline and tension in them that it leaves chemicals spread through the body. Killing that animal and eating its meat filled with bad adrenalin and chemicals is obviously not good for your brain or your body. It makes people crazy and aggressive." thought?? There have also been scientific studies showing that when you tickmark the fuck out of your projects, the rock cries and dies a little inside. But Steph Davis doesn't care about that.
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jt512 wrote: Like I said up-thread, I haven't had butter in my home for two decades. I can't think of anything you can do with butter that you can't do with either olive oil or canola oil, and you'll be healthier by doing it. Jay You may know a lot about nutrition but you seem to know nothing about food. There is a difference between ingesting calories and eating a meal. I do accept your health concerns completely. But I can think of a dozen things that you can't do with a butter substitute - not to mention the dishes that don't yield equivalent results with oils and/or shortening.
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gmggg wrote: jt512 wrote: Like I said up-thread, I haven't had butter in my home for two decades. I can't think of anything you can do with butter that you can't do with either olive oil or canola oil, and you'll be healthier by doing it. Jay You may know a lot about nutrition but you seem to know nothing about food. There is a difference between ingesting calories and eating a meal. I do accept your health concerns completely. But I can think of a dozen things that you can't do with a butter substitute - not to mention the dishes that don't yield equivalent results with oils and/or shortening. he was actually responding to me earlier in the thread, but as an aside, I recently learned that you can't do risotto without butter. I don't know if it can be done, and I was concerned when I saw her putting butter in the pot, but I admit that it was damn good.
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gmggg wrote: jt512 wrote: Like I said up-thread, I haven't had butter in my home for two decades. I can't think of anything you can do with butter that you can't do with either olive oil or canola oil, and you'll be healthier by doing it. Jay You may know a lot about nutrition but you seem to know nothing about food. There is a difference between ingesting calories and eating a meal. I do accept your health concerns completely. But I can think of a dozen things that you can't do with a butter substitute - not to mention the dishes that don't yield equivalent results with oils and/or shortening. +1. I use olive oil for ~99% my cooking, occasionally sesame oil if the recipe (asian-themed, usually) calls for it, and sometimes other oils for my salads (e.i. oils that won't be heated --I like walnut, hazelnut or almond oil for salads). I often substitute a combination of olive oil and applesauce for butter in baked goods. But I do not know how to make a good pie crust without using butter. Vegetable oil just won't work for that. Putting things in perspective, in the past 10 months I have used 6 sticks of butter. I'm O.K., with that.
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i'll be the devil's advocate and say that croissants are also not possible without butter.
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saint_john wrote: i'll be the devil's advocate and say that croissants are also not possible without butter. I'm not really sure that it's playing devil's advocate when you're agreeing with three out of the last four posters.
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spikeddem wrote: saint_john wrote: i'll be the devil's advocate and say that croissants are also not possible without butter. I'm not really sure that it's playing devil's advocate when you're agreeing with three out of the last four posters. Now who's being the devil's advocate?
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Gmburns2000 wrote: I recently learned that you can't do risotto without butter. Googling "risotto without butter" will quickly show you that that's false. Jay
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gmggg wrote: jt512 wrote: Like I said up-thread, I haven't had butter in my home for two decades. I can't think of anything you can do with butter that you can't do with either olive oil or canola oil, and you'll be healthier by doing it. Jay You may know a lot about nutrition but you seem to know nothing about food. There is a difference between ingesting calories and eating a meal. I do accept your health concerns completely. But I can think of a dozen things that you can't do with a butter substitute - not to mention the dishes that don't yield equivalent results with oils and/or shortening. I have not consumed a single homemade meal in like 30 years that contained butter. It has been literally that long since there has been a stick of butter in my home. How many of those dozen things that supposedly require butter are healthy foods? The only mentions so far are croissants an pie crust, not exactly big in the healthy food department. Jay
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jt512 wrote: How many of those dozen things that supposedly require butter are healthy foods? The only mentions so far are croissants an pie crust, not exactly big in the healthy food department. There is no such thing as a healthy or unhealthy single food. Only diets are healthy or unhealthy. A Big Mac or croissant or slice of pie isn't going to kill you. 20 a week OTOH.....
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