So, a few weekends ago, I was up at rumney for some sport goodness. While it was pretty hot and humid, it was a pretty good weekend for sending, and I ticked some good routes for me. It was a good weekend overall, except for one major issue.

Leave your children at home. They do not belong at the crag, and by bringing them, you are not only ruining someone else's good time, you are putting them in a hazardous environment where the supervision is distracted by ideations of sending some sick 5.9 routes.

There is a back story to my anger. We were climbing at new wave, and as soon as we got to the area, another party with three children and a maximum age of 5 showed up. There were three adults in the group, and all the requisite equipment, including but not limited to: A tent, several toy trucks, three kid carriers, and all of the other crap that comes with hauling children into an environment which they clearly do not belong. They soon proved this by throwing rocks down the trail, running around and screaming, crying, and being a general nuisance.


The adult supervision treated their misbehavior with gentle scolding and no attempt to remedy the rock throwing or running around, as they were busy climbing. They did take the opportunity to scold me for swearing in frustration after falling on a route

Not only were they annoying, they potentially endangered their kids by bringing them to a hazardous place, and this was evident when one of the younger children lost his footing and tumbled, much like a pinball, about 5 feet down the trail, to the utter shock of the parents. He fortunately was uninjured.

Keep your fucking kids at home. The crag is not a safe place for children to run around, and not only do you put them in danger, you annoy the shit out of any other parties trying to have a good weekend. And then you bitch about my language when you brought them to an adult location.

Leave the little bastards at home until they can be responsible for their own actions. I don't fucking care how cute they look in their little full body harness, or if they are the next chris fucking sharma. Keep them at home until they are of a responsible age, and don't annoy the fuck out of your fellow climbers.

So, a few weekends ago, I was up at rumney for some sport goodness. While it was pretty hot and humid, it was a pretty good weekend for sending, and I ticked some good routes for me. It was a good weekend overall, except for one major issue.

Leave your children at home. They do not belong at the crag, and by bringing them, you are not only ruining someone else's good time, you are putting them in a hazardous environment where the supervision is distracted by ideations of sending some sick 5.9 routes.

There is a back story to my anger. We were climbing at new wave, and as soon as we got to the area, another party with three children and a maximum age of 5 showed up. There were three adults in the group, and all the requisite equipment, including but not limited to: A tent, several toy trucks, three kid carriers, and all of the other crap that comes with hauling children into an environment which they clearly do not belong. They soon proved this by throwing rocks down the trail, running around and screaming, crying, and being a general nuisance.


The adult supervision treated their misbehavior with gentle scolding and no attempt to remedy the rock throwing or running around, as they were busy climbing. They did take the opportunity to scold me for swearing in frustration after falling on a route

Not only were they annoying, they potentially endangered their kids by bringing them to a hazardous place, and this was evident when one of the younger children lost his footing and tumbled, much like a pinball, about 5 feet down the trail, to the utter shock of the parents. He fortunately was uninjured.

Keep your fucking kids at home. The crag is not a safe place for children to run around, and not only do you put them in danger, you annoy the shit out of any other parties trying to have a good weekend. And then you bitch about my language when you brought them to an adult location.

Leave the little bastards at home until they can be responsible for their own actions. I don't fucking care how cute they look in their little full body harness, or if they are the next chris fucking sharma. Keep them at home until they are of a responsible age, and don't annoy the fuck out of your fellow climbers.

FU.

I agree that uncontrolled kids are annoying pretty much anywhere. But, they are more a part of the family than the dogs. Do you rant about them?

I've seen kids from a few months to 20 years old (at least) coming to the crags with their parents. I think it's good for them to be exposed to the sport, to the outdoors, to what their parents enjoy.

...If the kids are a real pain just swear like you have torrets...

I agree that uncontrolled kids are annoying pretty much anywhere. But, they are more a part of the family than the dogs. Do you rant about them?

I've seen kids from a few months to 20 years old (at least) coming to the crags with their parents. I think it's good for them to be exposed to the sport, to the outdoors, to what their parents enjoy.

It's "Tourette's"...you butt-plugging douche nozzle.

Curt

Leave the little bastards at home until they can be responsible for their own actions.

Keep them at home until they are of a responsible age, and don't annoy the fuck out of your fellow climbers.

...I was trolling, yup I admit to it and you took the bait. NEXT.

I second the FU.

So, a few weekends ago, I was up at rumney for some sport goodness. While it was pretty hot and humid, it was a pretty good weekend for sending, and I ticked some good routes for me. It was a good weekend overall, except for one major issue.

Leave your children at home. They do not belong at the crag, and by bringing them, you are not only ruining someone else's good time, you are putting them in a hazardous environment where the supervision is distracted by ideations of sending some sick 5.9 routes.

There is a back story to my anger. We were climbing at new wave, and as soon as we got to the area, another party with three children and a maximum age of 5 showed up. There were three adults in the group, and all the requisite equipment, including but not limited to: A tent, several toy trucks, three kid carriers, and all of the other crap that comes with hauling children into an environment which they clearly do not belong. They soon proved this by throwing rocks down the trail, running around and screaming, crying, and being a general nuisance.


The adult supervision treated their misbehavior with gentle scolding and no attempt to remedy the rock throwing or running around, as they were busy climbing. They did take the opportunity to scold me for swearing in frustration after falling on a route

Not only were they annoying, they potentially endangered their kids by bringing them to a hazardous place, and this was evident when one of the younger children lost his footing and tumbled, much like a pinball, about 5 feet down the trail, to the utter shock of the parents. He fortunately was uninjured.

Keep your fucking kids at home. The crag is not a safe place for children to run around, and not only do you put them in danger, you annoy the shit out of any other parties trying to have a good weekend. And then you bitch about my language when you brought them to an adult location.

Leave the little bastards at home until they can be responsible for their own actions. I don't fucking care how cute they look in their little full body harness, or if they are the next chris fucking sharma. Keep them at home until they are of a responsible age, and don't annoy the fuck out of your fellow climbers.

Go the fuck back to gym (or to the Red) where all you elitist people think you own every cliff you flop up... and quit your bitching. its people like you that annoy ME.

Yea i was a shithead as a kid...

Leave the little bastards at home until they can be responsible for their own actions. I don't fucking care how cute they look in their little full body harness, or if they are the next chris fucking sharma. Keep them at home until they are of a responsible age, and don't annoy the fuck out of your fellow climbers.

So all of you are ok with inattentive parents letting 3 toddlers wander around a crag throwing rocks, crying and almost injuring themselves. that's cool.

A few months ago i was part of a group with a 3 yr old. Group of 4 adults one being the parent. She barely made a peep longer than 10 seconds the whole weekend. We all took turns taking care of her and making sure she was playing safely and not crying. When she did try to do something wrong she was told not to and why not.. she will learn much more than those kids screaming and throwing rocks with no intervention.

I think the point of the guy's post was the inattentive parents and the reckless and unsafe behavior of the kids. not that they were actually there.

I was trolling, yup I admit to it and you took the bait. NEXT.

3. You obviously don't have kids, so you casn't possibly appreciate the difficulties that adults with kids face, in terms of finding appropriate overnight childcare for young children.

So all of you are ok with inattentive parents letting 3 toddlers wander around a crag throwing rocks, crying and almost injuring themselves. that's cool.

A few months ago i was part of a group with a 3 yr old. Group of 4 adults one being the parent. She barely made a peep longer than 10 seconds the whole weekend. We all took turns taking care of her and making sure she was playing safely and not crying. When she did try to do something wrong she was told not to and why not.. she will learn much more than those kids screaming and throwing rocks with no intervention.

I think the point of the guy's post was the inattentive parents and the reckless and unsafe behavior of the kids. not that they were actually there.

I think a few of the righteous FUs and "you obviously don't have kids" dismissals are missing the point.

Kids, by definition, are spazzes. Cute, but they know not what they do.

+1
Amen!!!
glad to see some people take care of there children in public places.
It's becoming a lost art.

So, a few weekends ago, I was up at rumney for some sport goodness. While it was pretty hot and humid, it was a pretty good weekend for sending, and I ticked some good routes for me. It was a good weekend overall, except for one major issue.

Leave your children at home. They do not belong at the crag, and by bringing them, you are not only ruining someone else's good time, you are putting them in a hazardous environment where the supervision is distracted by ideations of sending some sick 5.9 routes.

There is a back story to my anger. We were climbing at new wave, and as soon as we got to the area, another party with three children and a maximum age of 5 showed up. There were three adults in the group, and all the requisite equipment, including but not limited to: A tent, several toy trucks, three kid carriers, and all of the other crap that comes with hauling children into an environment which they clearly do not belong. They soon proved this by throwing rocks down the trail, running around and screaming, crying, and being a general nuisance.


The adult supervision treated their misbehavior with gentle scolding and no attempt to remedy the rock throwing or running around, as they were busy climbing. They did take the opportunity to scold me for swearing in frustration after falling on a route

Not only were they annoying, they potentially endangered their kids by bringing them to a hazardous place, and this was evident when one of the younger children lost his footing and tumbled, much like a pinball, about 5 feet down the trail, to the utter shock of the parents. He fortunately was uninjured.

Keep your fucking kids at home. The crag is not a safe place for children to run around, and not only do you put them in danger, you annoy the shit out of any other parties trying to have a good weekend. And then you bitch about my language when you brought them to an adult location.

Leave the little bastards at home until they can be responsible for their own actions. I don't fucking care how cute they look in their little full body harness, or if they are the next chris fucking sharma. Keep them at home until they are of a responsible age, and don't annoy the fuck out of your fellow climbers.

Sounds like you still are.

Curt

True, but we love you anyway.

Curt

Thanks for throwin that in there. You're cool.

Your kid has never pissed me off at the crags. Sure, he looks just like you but the poor little man can't help that.

At least he's clearly had good parents.

Just wait till you have kids. I hope somebody reads this back to you.

Curt

3. You obviously don't have kids, blah blah blah i have kids and therefore i am better than you...

4. You do not have kids, so see above, scumbag

Nope. Not buying it.

All of the following are fair game for a rant:
- Crag dogs
- Boom Boxes
- Gibbering clots of gumbies
- Spraylord bullshit


Children, on the other hand, are perfectly acceptable. Hell, it's unusual these days to see parents willing to spend quality time with their kids outdoors. Props to em. If you don't like it do what most folks do when I break out the lycra at the crag: find somewhere else to climb.

I've only seen set ups like that at the Meadows and where it was one kid in a playpen with one parent. I wouldn't think someone would haul all that shit up higher. I probably woulda been pissed too..

Would you have posted the same thing if the child that fell 5 feet was at Bonsai and took a 30 footer off the ledge and had been seriously injured or worse?

It is unfortunate that we don't have a magic time machine which would allow us to:

1. see you during your pre-school years. I suspect you were a model of behavior.

2. see you with your future children during their pre-school years. I suspect they will be models of behavior.

3. see you during said recent climbs. I suspect you were a model of responsibility, who in no way would ever annoy the fuck out of your fellow climbers.

I've read this entire thread, and this post is the most glaring of the lot. The whole elitist "i'm better then you because i've procreated and your can't possibly understand what it's like to bring a child to adulthood mentality is a) disgusting, and b) sorely misguided.
No, I don't have kids...

You my friend are an idiot. God forbid that you ever reproduce. If you ever find someone shallow enough to mate with, what would you do if you had your kid, no babysitter, and really wanted to go climbing? I bet all of a sudden it would be OK, wouldn't it? Some childless friends might have bitched if I brought my kids to the crags, but now that they have kids it's cool.
Also, if you could focus enough to drown out the kids, maybe you would climb harder. If you have anymore bitching to do, go down to the Gunks and talk to the Family Climbing crowd.
BTW those kids that you bitch about are climbing 5.11's at 10 years old.

So all of you are ok with inattentive parents letting 3 toddlers wander around a crag throwing rocks, crying and almost injuring themselves. that's cool.

A few months ago i was part of a group with a 3 yr old. Group of 4 adults one being the parent. She barely made a peep longer than 10 seconds the whole weekend. We all took turns taking care of her and making sure she was playing safely and not crying. When she did try to do something wrong she was told not to and why not.. she will learn much more than those kids screaming and throwing rocks with no intervention.

I think the point of the guy's post was the inattentive parents and the reckless and unsafe behavior of the kids. not that they were actually there.

Let me add another FU to the chorus.

I am just as interested in having a good time as you, and I am fervently committed to not being one of 'those &@#$%*parents', but if you can't get along when reasonably-regulated kids are around, that's your problem.

I think a few of the righteous FUs and "you obviously don't have kids" dismissals are missing the point.

Kids, by definition, are spazzes. Cute, but they know not what they do. Even kids who are pretty good more often than not can be a handful. I can't blame them. The crag is a fun place to be, and they see the adults having fun, so why act like they're in church?

This is why they need adults to look after them, role model and reel them in if necessary. Children need to be controlled when they're at the crag, the gym, the grocery store, the movies, the county jail waiting area, whatever. If you can do that, great. If you can't, leave the kids at home. If you can't leave the kids at home and enjoy your activity, then you stay home too. Because life is just really unfair like that, you know?

I don't have children, but I don't mind them. I actually find them pretty enjoyable once they're old enough to have a conversation with you. It's just a courtesy thing. I've seen uncontrolled kids screaming and stampeding and throwing rocks at the crag and wanted to beat their PARENTS like a pinata (they were already hanging like one, so all I needed was a stick). I've also seen kids just chillin', digging in the dirt with their Hot Wheels and eating their fruit snacks away from the belay hang. And I felt no hostility whatsoever. I'd rather a whole field trip of quiet, respectful first-graders than one "I just got my lead card" douchebag and his screeching belay slave girlfriend having an epic on a warm-up.

That might be elitist, but it's hardly elitist to expect adults to be in control of their children at all times.

...Climbing is an arena of effort. Success and failure both hold lessons for those who are receptive...

Wow... thats is some serious douche-baggery if I've ever seen any.

Why not bitch and moan to the parents instead of your virtual friends on the interwebs? Did you just follow them to get more and more reasons to fume all to yourself? Did you take notes so you could accurately report back to people who don't give a shit?

FU

...but you are seriously mistaken if you think you can possibly understand what it is like to be a parent before you actually become one.

Curt

I'm not sure how many of the non-parents really purported to know what it's like to have kids. I don't. I think we're just thinking of common sense and courtesy. I know my parents made sure I didn't get away with acting like a shrieking wind-up toy in public. And now, I only have a few crag tantrums

I know my parents made sure I didn't get away with acting like a shrieking wind-up toy in public. And now, I only have a few crag tantrums

The first post worthy of my respect.

He is so going to beat your brittle ass at the father-son picnic. Hehehe.

I had one tantrum as a child... one... my mother saw to it that I showed nothing but model behaviour in public. Look, don't touch. Listen, don't speak.

Should I ever try to use her techniques on my son I would have Children's Aid banging down my door because somewhere in the last 20 years it's become illegal to spank, yell or do anything that may potentially harm their self esteem as adults.

1. What makes you think that you as a person are more entitled to being at any particular public place than another person who happens to be 5 years old?

2. You are entitled to be annoyed by certain things-- I have my own list, too. I suggest you anticipate these things and take steps to avoid them, instead of expecting other people to stay away in order for you to have a good day. How about going for a longer approach?

3. You obviously don't have kids, so you casn't possibly appreciate the difficulties that adults with kids face, in terms of finding appropriate overnight childcare for young children.

4. You do not have kids, so you can't possibly understand the educational value to kids who are exposed to a variety of situations and see their parents enjoy various activities.

5. There are obnoxious children everywhere, and even the best kids can and do have bad days. The same is true for all adults. When dealing with abnoxious individuals of any age, your best bet is a polite mention to adults in charge. You would be surprized how effective this can be. However, if it doesn't work, go back to point 2.


6. Unless you are under 20yo, and still have some hope of growing up, I suggest that you take steps to make sure that not having kids is a permanent fact for you.

7. I am pretty sure my daughter will outclimb you by the time she is 8yo. She is 6yo now.

And see, that's probably why we get so many unleashed brats these days.

The kids who live next door to me are constantly screaming... SCREAMING... in the street, throwing pebbles at my dogs to make them bark, leaving their candy wrappers in my yard, zipping around my driveway even when the car is running. I know they're too little to know any better, but I never see their parents supervising. Somebody who works a few cubicles over from me regularly brings her kid to work. It is NEVER quiet. It screeches like a dolphin with an ear infection.

Children have always been stinkers but I don't remember so many kids being so awful when I was a kid 20 years ago (Curt, shut your mowf.)

You know I'm a parent and I'm a damned good one. I've been told it enough I feel I can quote that and spray a bit. My kids know how to have fun and rip up earth, turf, heaven and hell. However when I give them the "quiet" chat and pull out the bags of age appropriate distractions they shut it and get it done.

My wife and I share a view that kids who have a bag of age appropriate distractions (coloring, video games, pocket knives and whittling wood, etc...), food, snacks and parent instilled self-awareness can be taken anywhere and left largely unattended.

My kids have been to the crag admittedly our crags see 20 people a week instead of an hour. That doesn't mean I let my kids act like wild dogs even if I am there by myself. I let my kids hang it all out at the pool, the back yard and other spots like that but in the woods they respect the land and they respect my chance to enjoy it.

Who gives a shit about if someone climbs harder than someone else! Climbing is probably one of the most meaningless things out there.

I keep telling you to move out of the trailer park.

Curt

Manufactured home community. We gots stemwalls!

I'm going to break my silence here.

I think it is inappropriate to bring 3 children up to a destination crag on a weekend. Children are more suited to being at smaller crags with fewer people. And I think it takes a lot of gull to criticize someone for swearing just because they have kids with them. Its an adult location and Rumney is a place people take big trips to. I see no reason why anyone should have to change their behavior because you decided to bring your children to an adult location.


Invalid: I know the difficulties in finding overnight childcare because I have been the one watching peoples kids many times, but what the hell. You CHOSE to have kids so you chose to take on this challenge. (We won't go into my thoughts for people who didn't chose to have their kids) Sometimes you have to put off a climbing trip and wait until the kids are old enough to behave safely and appropriately for that trip

The other problem I see in this picture is 3 toddlers and 3 adults. Its one thing to bring one toddler out to the crag, but 3? That's asking for trouble. At a place where there is very little room at the bottom of the crag and with 3 little ones running around someone is gonna take a digger over the edge and go tumbling down the very steep hill behind them.

I don't think its a question of leaving all kids at home, its about knowing when it is appropriate to bring them with you. To me this is a case where it was clearly inappropriate as well as unsafe. And to be honest I see more parents who don't know how to deal with their kids when they take them climbing then those who do. (Which is exactly how I feel about crag dogs since people feel the need to draw similarities)

And for the love of god if you don't want your children to hear anyone swear then you shouldn't take them to places you know there will be swearing.

I'll add a fuck you to the chorus of those too emasculated to say so. i.e. you. Fuck off and rot.

The shitheads I referenced were not regulated, were not supervised, and were not safe.
Why did I not call the Department of Children and Families/ It ain't my business. Climbing is.

Five stars. You should break your silence more often.

Jay

Did the toddlers throwing rocks all of three feet really scare you that much?

It's "Tourette's"...you butt-plugging douche nozzle.

Curt

Future children there will be none. Fuck off..

The planet is over-populated as it is, and furthering the status quo will accomplish nothing.

Bitch all you want - it changes nothing. Our kids bother you more than they bother us. We are way worse than dog people.

DMT

1. What makes you think that you as a person are more entitled to being at any particular public place than another person who happens to be 5 years old?

2. You are entitled to be annoyed by certain things-- I have my own list, too. I suggest you anticipate these things and take steps to avoid them, instead of expecting other people to stay away in order for you to have a good day. How about going for a longer approach?

3. You obviously don't have kids, so you casn't possibly appreciate the difficulties that adults with kids face, in terms of finding appropriate overnight childcare for young children.

4. You do not have kids, so you can't possibly understand the educational value to kids who are exposed to a variety of situations and see their parents enjoy various activities.

5. There are obnoxious children everywhere, and even the best kids can and do have bad days. The same is true for all adults. When dealing with abnoxious individuals of any age, your best bet is a polite mention to adults in charge. You would be surprized how effective this can be. However, if it doesn't work, go back to point 2.


6. Unless you are under 20yo, and still have some hope of growing up, I suggest that you take steps to make sure that not having kids is a permanent fact for you.

7. I am pretty sure my daughter will outclimb you by the time she is 8yo. She is 6yo now.

So, a few weekends ago, I was up at rumney for some sport goodness.

Bitch all you want - it changes nothing. Our kids bother you more than they bother us. We are way worse than dog people.

So, a few weekends ago, I was up at rumney for some sport goodness. While it was pretty hot and humid, it was a pretty good weekend for sending, and I ticked some good routes for me. It was a good weekend overall, except for one major issue.

Leave your children at home. They do not belong at the crag, and by bringing them, you are not only ruining someone else's good time, you are putting them in a hazardous environment where the supervision is distracted by ideations of sending some sick 5.9 routes.

There is a back story to my anger. We were climbing at new wave, and as soon as we got to the area, another party with three children and a maximum age of 5 showed up. There were three adults in the group, and all the requisite equipment, including but not limited to: A tent, several toy trucks, three kid carriers, and all of the other crap that comes with hauling children into an environment which they clearly do not belong. They soon proved this by throwing rocks down the trail, running around and screaming, crying, and being a general nuisance.


The adult supervision treated their misbehavior with gentle scolding and no attempt to remedy the rock throwing or running around, as they were busy climbing. They did take the opportunity to scold me for swearing in frustration after falling on a route

Not only were they annoying, they potentially endangered their kids by bringing them to a hazardous place, and this was evident when one of the younger children lost his footing and tumbled, much like a pinball, about 5 feet down the trail, to the utter shock of the parents. He fortunately was uninjured.

Keep your fucking kids at home. The crag is not a safe place for children to run around, and not only do you put them in danger, you annoy the shit out of any other parties trying to have a good weekend. And then you bitch about my language when you brought them to an adult location.

Leave the little bastards at home until they can be responsible for their own actions. I don't fucking care how cute they look in their little full body harness, or if they are the next chris fucking sharma. Keep them at home until they are of a responsible age, and don't annoy the fuck out of your fellow climbers.

I never see cats at the crags.

OK, first off I will agree with you, those kids sounded like a pain in the ass and probably should not have been there as they sounded like they were hazards to both themselves and others. But I will have to partially disagree with you, I think that kids are fine, if they meet ALL of the following criteria:
1. They climb, or are learning to climb, this does not mean running around in a harness! I mean really learning and focused.
2. Their parents understand what real discipline is. None of this new agey “I am disappointed in you…” or even worse “Jesus is disappointed with you.” Because honestly a 5 year old could not care less who is disappointed! They are 5! BUT they do understand a swat on the butt hurts and they don’t want another. (sorry, worked in a daycare in college in an upscale neighborhood, I have been jaded…)
3. They don’t scream, cry, or whine without there being some blood or perturbing bone to accompany it. There is nothing worse than when you are focused to have some whinny ass brat screaming about a splinter or stubbed toe. I know when kids get hurt they freak but GOOD parents teach their kid, or rather train their kid to not freak out over little things. ESPECIALLY Little girls, they are NOT princesses and they are no better than anyone else’s little girl. (Damn Disney has warped their brains!)
4. There are enough adults to have at least one adult per 2 kids at all times. None of this mommy is climbing, daddy is belaying, and little Johnny is running amuck. Bring a sitter, a friend, hell drag out a family member who doesn’t even climb! Just make sure there are adult eyes on your kid all the time! Rocks hurt!
5. They don’t need TOYS to entertain themselves outdoors. Parents need to teach their kids to appreciate the outdoors and teach them to entertain themselves when in the forest/desert/ ect. This does not mean throwing rocks, but maybe a little exploring or god forbid maybe a little firsthand education. They need to teach their kids to appreciate every moment because the way we are heading, there might not be any “outdoors” to take their kids to when they grow up.
OK before I hear all the flaming, especially about little girls and how I should not have kids. I don’t want any! So don’t worry. I helped my wife raise her little 10 year old sister practically as both parents worked crazy schedules and we were the baby sitters. And you know what, when she falls and begins to cry, and I am around… she knows no blood, no broken bones, NO Tears! And if she wants something done, she does it herself if she can. None of this Meggy, Meggy, tie my shoe or help me over this rock BS. And if she is misbehaving, it only takes one look…. Just one, and she stops. And NO I have never spanked her, she’s not my kid (even though it feels like it) but I sure as hell don’t tell her “I am disappointed” I tell her he gameboy is going to disappear or her TV is going to spend some time in my closet, and I mean it! And if that doesn’t work, yeah my wife will put her over the knee, just like I was!

All and all, I think well behaved kids are fine. Every kid should be exposed to the outdoors! Get their fat asses off the couch and away from the TV and Gameboys! But I will agree with ClimberGuy, those kids should not have been there, and those parents were bad parents for bringing them someplace dangerous. You should know what your kids can handle, and they sounded like typical little kids not interested in climbing. OK feel free to rip me a new one now…

I'm going to break my silence here.

I think it is inappropriate to bring 3 children up to a destination crag on a weekend. Children are more suited to being at smaller crags with fewer people. And I think it takes a lot of gull to criticize someone for swearing just because they have kids with them. Its an adult location and Rumney is a place people take big trips to. I see no reason why anyone should have to change their behavior because you decided to bring your children to an adult location. .

Invalid: I know the difficulties in finding overnight childcare because I have been the one watching peoples kids many times, but what the hell. You CHOSE to have kids so you chose to take on this challenge. (We won't go into my thoughts for people who didn't chose to have their kids) Sometimes you have to put off a climbing trip and wait until the kids are old enough to behave safely and appropriately for that trip.

The other problem I see in this picture is 3 toddlers and 3 adults. Its one thing to bring one toddler out to the crag, but 3? That's asking for trouble. At a place where there is very little room at the bottom of the crag and with 3 little ones running around someone is gonna take a digger over the edge and go tumbling down the very steep hill behind them.

I don't think its a question of leaving all kids at home, its about knowing when it is appropriate to bring them with you. To me this is a case where it was clearly inappropriate as well as unsafe. And to be honest I see more parents who don't know how to deal with their kids when they take them climbing then those who do. (Which is exactly how I feel about crag dogs since people feel the need to draw similarities)

And for the love of god if you don't want your children to hear anyone swear then you shouldn't take them to places you know there will be swearing.

Rumney is a zoo. If you want solitude, try some multi-pitch or areas that have longer approaches. Then I can write a rant complaining about you being there and ruining my day of climbing.

Whats up with Rumney? Never been in that neck of the woods. I guess I'm due for a bad day at the crag. Never had a problem with dogs, boomboxes and children.

Here is where your problem begins:


Rumney is a zoo. If you want solitude, try some multi-pitch or areas that have longer approaches. Then I can write a rant complaining about you being there and ruining my day of climbing.