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So Jeff, you locked the thread titled This place is DEAD! In effect, eliminating one of the few remaining active topics anyone concerned about the site can offer up advice. Not sure why, unless you were feeling insecure. Let it run. Let people have discussion.

As far as achieving the site culture you said that you desired in your first post, I'd say that you have been able to successfully achieve it. The cost is to you and the site, as people were invited to leave via your invitation, and they did. Perhaps you might consider what you really wanted?

Jeff wrote:
Regarding site culture:
There are just a couple of things that are non-negotiable based on who I am as a person and what kind of site I want to be associated with. You can sum most of them up as be friendly, treat people, including women, with respect, don't be a jerk, and treat others how you'd want to be treated. The rockclimbing community tends to be a little rough around the edges, thrill-seeking, rules-pushing, heart-pounding awesomeness. No problems there--I was the kid growing up who drove the town roundabout backwards every so often just to feel like a rebel. But I'm not going to tolerate sexually crude remarks or slamming n00bs. People who want to do those things can go find another site. I haven't seen problems with these things so far, but just wanted to set the ground rules.

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set up a sin-bin where the bad boys can mouth of to each other and we can watch the fun from the sidelines.

Jeff wrote:
Lol. Not really cool with that--I'd like to hit reset on that part of this site's culture.

Overall, the crew here is pretty friendly (and many of you have known each other for years), but occasionally threads disintegrate into drama, and when that happens I'll delete those posts and hand out warnings/time outs. It's going to take a little bit for us to all re-calibrate so I will do my best to over-communicate and give any offenders a reasonable chance to change before perma-banning them. That said, if it becomes clear someone needs to be banned, I won't hesitate to do that.

Disagreement is totally fine (and healthy), being rude and prickly, or personal attacks or crude remarks can go elsewhere. I'm still building my "strike zone" on where the line is, so we'll just see how it goes.

I'm not sure why you would ignore and rebuff a person of Jimtitts stature and intelligence. I find crap like that offensive. You are going to give ME a timeout? I'm 60 years old, have been rockclimbing for 43 years. I own my own business and don't need you to be my mother. You can choose to turn this site around right now. Encourage people to get in there and pitch their BS and spit and argue with each other. Let it roll baby. If someone gets personal and offers up something too far over the line, just quietly delete their comment. Don't F***ing lecture or talk down to them for speaking what they perceive is the truth- nobody here is a child. Except for maybe Sungum, but he's Scottish and growing out of it, plus he's hilariously funny. Heheh.

PS, please don't consider this a snarky post. The conflict/activity and bandying that defined RC.com disappeared, and with it -your customers and the things that made it interesting. This is why, not any other reason. Not back end, not front end, not less climbers, not facebook. I've been here a long time, I'm offering this in a respectful manner -let people have active discourse. Give it a thought.


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Well said ^. I miss the vibrancy and relevance of the old RC.com. I don't miss some of the ass hat attack mentality some posters had, but they were a small minority and often added needed counterpoint.


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-- repost from the other thread ---

Users: I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. it's dead, that's what's wrong with it!

Owner: No, no, it's uh,...it's resting.

Users: Look, matey, I know a dead website when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.

Owner: No no it's not dead, it's, its restin! Remarkable site, the rc.com, idn'it, ay? Beautiful threads and databases!

Users: The threads and databases don't enter into it. It's stone dead.

Owner: Nononono, no, no! it's resting!

Users: All right then, if it's restin', I'll wake him up! (shouting at the site) 'Ello, Mister rc.com website! I've got a lovely fresh cuttle picture for you if you show...

(owner hits the site)

Owner: There, it moved!

Users: No, he didn't, that was you hitting the site!

Owner: I never!!

Users: Yes, you did!

Owner: I never, never did anything...

Users: (yelling and hitting the cage repeatedly) 'ELLO POLLY!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock alarm call!

Users: Now that's what I call a dead website.

Owner: No, no.....No, it's stunned!

Users: STUNNED?!?

Owner: Yeah! You stunned him, just as he was wakin' up! climbing sites stun easily, major.

Users: Um...now look...now look, mate, I've definitely 'ad enough of this. That website is definitely deceased, and when you purchased it not 'alf a year ago, you assured me that its total lack of movement was due to it bein' tired and shagged out following a prolonged redesign.

Users: Look, I took the liberty of examining that website when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its perch in the first place was that the threads had been NAILED there.

[.]

...Users: it's not pinin'! it's passed on! This site is no more! It has ceased to be! it's expired and gone to meet its maker! it's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed it to the perch it'd be pushing up the daisies! Its metabolic processes are now 'istory! it's off the twig! it's kicked the bucket, it's shuffled off its mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-SITE!!


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By the way,

as of now, it's been more than a month that jeff has logged on to the site, so you might want to send a PM or a Mail, or a call...

http://rockclimbing.com/...m.cgi?username=Jeff;

(copy pasted because i can't be asked to make a screenshot and embed it...)

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Nice Python reference! Are you suggesting Jeff logged on, locked the "This is DEAD!" thread http://www.rockclimbing.com/..._latest_reply;so=ASC And then left?

Whoah........OK then.


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billcoe_ wrote:

Nice Python reference! Are you suggesting Jeff logged on, locked the "This is DEAD!" thread http://www.rockclimbing.com/..._latest_reply;so=ASC And then left?

Whoah........OK then.

Yes, pretty much. Jeff has other things on his plate, site updating is more difficult, time-consuming, and confusing than he anticipated.

So, changes to this website might happen, but slowly, and with uncertain time table.

Is this place still worth something to you? Then to hell with the outdated forum layout. Just start talking.

Want to turn this into a new active thread? O.K., it is Tuesday, what are you up to? Angelic


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lena_chita wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:

Nice Python reference! Are you suggesting Jeff logged on, locked the "This is DEAD!" thread http://www.rockclimbing.com/..._latest_reply;so=ASC And then left?

Whoah........OK then.

Yes, pretty much. Jeff has other things on his plate, site updating is more difficult, time-consuming, and confusing than he anticipated.

So, changes to this website might happen, but slowly, and with uncertain time table.

Is this place still worth something to you? Then to hell with the outdated forum layout. Just start talking.

Want to turn this into a new active thread? O.K., it is Tuesday, what are you up to? Angelic

Just got back from climbing. A small 15 m Cliff, but with a 2 min approach (useful with current forecast). Aptly named Spinnenfels; everything was full (!) of spiderwebs. I think that climbing there would cure people of arachnaphobia as you HAD to reach through the web for the holds.

The routes itself were ok... one notices that it gets darker earlier again :-(


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billcoe_ wrote:

Nice Python reference! Are you suggesting Jeff logged on, locked the "This is DEAD!" thread http://www.rockclimbing.com/..._latest_reply;so=ASC And then left?

Whoah........OK then.

cheers, I'm glad you liked it.

it looks like jeffs last action was to lock the other thread, although, the forum software being buggy as it is, he could be logged on right now, and the last logon date is wrong. I would not hold my breath for a reply, though...


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lena_chita wrote:
Jeff has other things on his plate, site updating is more difficult, time-consuming, and confusing than he anticipated.

So, changes to this website might happen, but slowly, and with uncertain time table.

Is this place still worth something to you? Then to hell with the outdated forum layout. Just start talking.

Want to turn this into a new active thread? O.K., it is Tuesday, what are you up to? Angelic


OK, just admit that you didn't read a damned word of my original post maybe past the title and I might step up and start talkin'.

Or knott.

Maybe I need to copy paste my own post so as to have it read? Shakes head.


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billcoe_ wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
Jeff has other things on his plate, site updating is more difficult, time-consuming, and confusing than he anticipated.

So, changes to this website might happen, but slowly, and with uncertain time table.

Is this place still worth something to you? Then to hell with the outdated forum layout. Just start talking.

Want to turn this into a new active thread? O.K., it is Tuesday, what are you up to? Angelic


OK, just admit that you didn't read a damned word of my original post maybe past the title and I might step up and start talkin'.

Or knott.

Maybe I need to copy paste my own post so as to have it read? Shakes head.

Quick get the Paddles....it's not dead yet! I think its still breathing,

or is this just a death gasp.


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billcoe_ wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
Jeff has other things on his plate, site updating is more difficult, time-consuming, and confusing than he anticipated.

So, changes to this website might happen, but slowly, and with uncertain time table.

Is this place still worth something to you? Then to hell with the outdated forum layout. Just start talking.

Want to turn this into a new active thread? O.K., it is Tuesday, what are you up to? Angelic


OK, just admit that you didn't read a damned word of my original post maybe past the title and I might step up and start talkin'.

Or knott.

Maybe I need to copy paste my own post so as to have it read? Shakes head.

Your original post was addressed to Jeff. Who is probably not going to read it soon. And probably won't try to further justify his previous actions, if/when he reads it.

Nobody else can do it (or wants to), in Jeff's stead.

But you want to yell at someone, or argue with someone, anyway. And I responded... so now you're going to yell at me? It's O.K., I understand, I have teenagers at home.

yelling is a good way to vent some excess frustration. Keep on, please!


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iknowfear wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:

Nice Python reference! Are you suggesting Jeff logged on, locked the "This is DEAD!" thread http://www.rockclimbing.com/..._latest_reply;so=ASC And then left?

Whoah........OK then.

Yes, pretty much. Jeff has other things on his plate, site updating is more difficult, time-consuming, and confusing than he anticipated.

So, changes to this website might happen, but slowly, and with uncertain time table.

Is this place still worth something to you? Then to hell with the outdated forum layout. Just start talking.

Want to turn this into a new active thread? O.K., it is Tuesday, what are you up to? Angelic

Just got back from climbing. A small 15 m Cliff, but with a 2 min approach (useful with current forecast). Aptly named Spinnenfels; everything was full (!) of spiderwebs. I think that climbing there would cure people of arachnaphobia as you HAD to reach through the web for the holds.

The routes itself were ok... one notices that it gets darker earlier again :-(

I've climbed couple routes like that (spider-infested), but it seemed to have an opposite effect on me. There was one spider... I swear, I HEARD the "thunk" sound it made after it hit the ground from 50 feet up!


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roadstead wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
Jeff has other things on his plate, site updating is more difficult, time-consuming, and confusing than he anticipated.

So, changes to this website might happen, but slowly, and with uncertain time table.

Is this place still worth something to you? Then to hell with the outdated forum layout. Just start talking.

Want to turn this into a new active thread? O.K., it is Tuesday, what are you up to? Angelic


OK, just admit that you didn't read a damned word of my original post maybe past the title and I might step up and start talkin'.

Or knott.

Maybe I need to copy paste my own post so as to have it read? Shakes head.

Quick get the Paddles....it's not dead yet! I think its still breathing,

or is this just a death gasp.
It's a heavy handed attempt at resuscitation. Rib-breaking CPR, and all.


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Evidently there's some demand this site satisfies which others don't, or people wouldn't keep remarking on its passing or calling for its resuscitation; that demand may just be nostalgia, old bookmarks and an unwillingness to let go. The good news it seems we've reached the bargaining stage of the five stages of loss, so only two more to go to acceptance.

While from a forum participant perspective this site may appear to be dead, from an owner perspective it's doing great and they're focusing on the right things if compete.com stats are anything to go by: unique visitors this summer are 3-4x greater than last year. Rockclimbing.com is in the top 3 non-news/non-local google results for "rock climbing", an impressive feat for a mobile unfriendly site in a post-mobilegeddon world; MountainProject and SuperTopo don't make the first three pages.

When it comes to rebuilding the site, the job is getting increasingly difficult. The number of mobile-only adult internet users exceeded the number of desktop-only internet users this year; addressing mobile is going to require more than new forum software.


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lena_chita wrote:
But you want to yell at someone, or argue with someone, anyway. And I responded... so now you're going to yell at me? It's O.K., I understand, I have teenagers at home.
Haha! "I have Teenagers at home"..LOL. Thanks for that.

Well it bought Dave (Roadstead) out of hibernation, he's even older than me!! Hola Dave!!! Long long time. Teenagers, heh. Hey, my son texts me, "I'm coming home dad, do you have 70meter rope?" I replied "I'll check". Go find a brand new one hucked it on the bed he'd be saying in during the visit. It turns out that he's bringing me a 70M rope. He's been doing your guys new routes in Hells canyon and if you don't have a 70 you are hanging in space. So he got a prodeal on a 70M rope and remembered his father!!!

Anyway, I haven't been to Hell yet, not much of a bolt clipper, but probably will get over there at some point. Thanks for putting in some kick ass routes!


Iknowfear: any pictures of spiders? I can tell you my Funnel Web Spider story while climbing in Australia. No photos but from Wiki: "Australian funnel-webs are one of the most dangerous groups of spiders in the world and are regarded by some to be the most deadly, both in terms of clinical cases and venom toxicity"


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billcoe_ wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
But you want to yell at someone, or argue with someone, anyway. And I responded... so now you're going to yell at me? It's O.K., I understand, I have teenagers at home.
Haha! "I have Teenagers at home"..LOL. Thanks for that.

You are welcome. See, you might not believe it, but I DID read your first post, and I do know how old (approximately) you are. But even guys in their prime (hehe!) can act like teenagers.



billcoe_ wrote:
Iknowfear: any pictures of spiders? I can tell you my Funnel Web Spider story while climbing in Australia. No photos but from Wiki: "Australian funnel-webs are one of the most dangerous groups of spiders in the world and are regarded by some to be the most deadly, both in terms of clinical cases and venom toxicity"

Note to self: put Australia further down on my have-to-climb-it list. It won't be so sad if I die from a spider bite at a more mature age.


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Bill has it right, its a dead site, with a few worms and some gas making the corpse twitch. This thread is a meta thread, a thread about posting threads not about making climbing posts. We are like Angels overlooking the casket.

Yes, the new owner has now re calibrated his site. This is what Absolute Zero looks like; or as close to is as stochastic noise allows.

He got what he asked for, a site without chaos, bitchen, bitch slapping, ripping, lying and threats of any sort. No disrespect here either. No fucking nuthing.

So you now have your calibration. A climbing site that welcomes Rokjox and those others who seem to have a attitude and a reputation and people who dislike them maybe, too. A site with a SHITLOAD of posts and replies, a barroom battle every day and a big return, a site vibrant with discord and making a lot of clicks;

or a drop dead quiet site no-one is interested in except obsessive-compulsive fist fighting old mountaineers, like me. A site even I can get nothing out of, it just that the obsessive/compulsive thing means that I tune in on the barest CHANCE something has changed, that someone has responded to something I wrote perhaps. Not that there is a real turn of the wheel, that the wind may have changed something.

Check Alexis for the rank. RC is dead and I would post the BLANK CHARK that represents Superstupids popularity now. RC is running on its prior reputation, it had a lot of airspeed and altitude once. Now it doesn't, its almost hitting the ground... ""So FAR so GOOD, EH?!!" the moron muttered as the plane dove into the ice"

I post it, but you can't post an image here anymore, still, right? Too cheap to put up the server space?? Hope you get done calibrating this dump before irreparable brain death sets in. You think this thing will just sit in a frozen hell waiting on you to get out of the hibernation tank?

You COULD HIRE some actual expertize. Not everyone that climbs are idiots, some are programmers. Better ones than you. With a little kissing up to your base, that bigass database that is, you might be able to get some worthwile shit done, AND in this decade.

Truth is, damn few owners are as smart as they say, most fatcats depend on the skills of others and a ruthless exploitation of blind luck. Ask the Donald.

Did he make his money by building shit with a hammer or by kissing people and getting them to do shit FOR him for less than the results were worth? Does he know what a hammer is?

Can you understand standard white street English? Or is this racist, demeaning to you and an nu-necesarily combative troll? Answer wrong and blow this joint off.

So hows that "Calibration" doing ya?


P.S. I'm 60 ...err... and I got 43 years of climbing in, too. I'm not the b...er twitchy tween kid you seem to think posts on a climbing site. But if you want nothing BUT climbing posts, you will get nothing. Again.
More.
Nothing.

Its lonely at the top. Its fucking DEAD at the bottom.

Alexis says that Supertopo, a plane crash in progress, lost 185 ranking places in the last 3 months... almost level.

Rockclimbing.com lost 16.500 places.
Steep dive into obscurity. No purpose, no energy.


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Spiders are p. much the entire reason I never want to climb in Australia.

Spiders are sp00ky.


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billcoe_ wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
But you want to yell at someone, or argue with someone, anyway. And I responded... so now you're going to yell at me? It's O.K., I understand, I have teenagers at home.
Haha! "I have Teenagers at home"..LOL. Thanks for that.

Well it bought Dave (Roadstead) out of hibernation, he's even older than me!! Hola Dave!!! Long long time. Teenagers, heh. Hey, my son texts me, "I'm coming home dad, do you have 70meter rope?" I replied "I'll check". Go find a brand new one hucked it on the bed he'd be saying in during the visit. It turns out that he's bringing me a 70M rope. He's been doing your guys new routes in Hells canyon and if you don't have a 70 you are hanging in space. So he got a prodeal on a 70M rope and remembered his father!!!

Anyway, I haven't been to Hell yet, not much of a bolt clipper, but probably will get over there at some point. Thanks for putting in some kick ass routes!


Iknowfear: any pictures of spiders? I can tell you my Funnel Web Spider story while climbing in Australia. No photos but from Wiki: "Australian funnel-webs are one of the most dangerous groups of spiders in the world and are regarded by some to be the most deadly, both in terms of clinical cases and venom toxicity"

incidentally, while climbing I commented to my buddy: boy am I glad this is not australia. over here, spiders don't bite...

but please, tell the story


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theguy wrote:
Evidently there's some demand this site satisfies which others don't, or people wouldn't keep remarking on its passing or calling for its resuscitation; that demand may just be nostalgia, old bookmarks and an unwillingness to let go. The good news it seems we've reached the bargaining stage of the five stages of loss, so only two more to go to acceptance.

While from a forum participant perspective this site may appear to be dead, from an owner perspective it's doing great and they're focusing on the right things if compete.com stats are anything to go by: unique visitors this summer are 3-4x greater than last year. Rockclimbing.com is in the top 3 non-news/non-local google results for "rock climbing", an impressive feat for a mobile unfriendly site in a post-mobilegeddon world; MountainProject and SuperTopo don't make the first three pages.

When it comes to rebuilding the site, the job is getting increasingly difficult. The number of mobile-only adult internet users exceeded the number of desktop-only internet users this year; addressing mobile is going to require more than new forum software.

The name (rockclimbing.com) certainly helps get the first-time visitors who are interested in climbing and are starting from zero. You have to already know something to click on supertopo or Mountain Project links, if they appear in search, but rockclimbing.com? Seems like a no-brainer.

But a better uestion is, after they looked at RC.com once, are they coming back? And the answer is, rather unlikely, right now.


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I stopped posting and lost interest when the crap posts started outnumbering the posts with actual climbing content. Geez. I think this is my first post in over a year, even.

I am still climbing - and climbing harder than ever before. I communicate with other climbers via facebook.

Maybe forums are a thing of the past. Maybe those of you who miss the former RC.com culture can connect with one another on some other form of social media.

I do not have high hopes of an RC.com comeback, regardless of what jeff does with the site. You know what they say - you can't polish a turd.


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Well it bought Dave (Roadstead) out of hibernation,

Like other long time user's that appear to be concerned...in our very own Crazy way.

http://www.rockclimbing.com/...name=fitzontherocks;
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...?username=iknowfear;
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...cgi?username=theguy;
http://www.rockclimbing.com/....cgi?username=Rokjox
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...sername=wonderwoman;
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...username=lena_chita;
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...cgi?username=sungam;

wonderwoman might have said it best
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- you can't polish a turd.
or can you?

Add your name to the list by bumping this thread back to the top. Maybe we can pump a little life back in the old RC.com. Wink

billco,
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Want to turn this into a new active thread? O.K., it is Tuesday, what are you up to? Angelic

The other weekend I took the kids (3.5 and nearly 9) out toproping at Coopers Rock in WV. The confidence the 9-year-old has bouldering in the gym hasn't translated into roped climbing at the crag. I rigged a couple of the easier climbs and he just wasn't super into it. The younger kid wants to hold the rope rather than the rock, with predicable results. Still, we were out in the woods, I got to climb a tiny bit, and we managed to find okay Chinese food on the way home.

I also realized that all of my slings are probably 14-15 years old, so the credit card got a little exercise, too. Next I get to send off cams to be reslung, in the hopes that I can dust off the rack soon. The mountain bike has been seeing more use than the climbing gear.


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So Jeff, you locked the thread titled This place is DEAD! In effect, eliminating one of the few remaining active topics anyone concerned about the site can offer up advice. Not sure why, unless you were feeling insecure. Let it run. Let people have discussion.

I didn't lock that discussion, not sure who did. I have no problem with you guys grousing about a situation that I agree sucks.

Possibly one of the mods thought the thread had run its course, I don't know.

Regardless, I'm still chipping away, writing code every day on the site.


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Jeff wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:
So Jeff, you locked the thread titled This place is DEAD! In effect, eliminating one of the few remaining active topics anyone concerned about the site can offer up advice. Not sure why, unless you were feeling insecure. Let it run. Let people have discussion.

I didn't lock that discussion, not sure who did. I have no problem with you guys grousing about a situation that I agree sucks.

Possibly one of the mods thought the thread had run its course, I don't know.

Regardless, I'm still chipping away, writing code every day on the site.

Wow. One of only two or three threads in the last month that has created ANY conversation gets locked by "someone" and you just shrug your shoulders.

I continue to be shocked with what has happened (or actually not happened) to this site since October 2013. I keep on thinking it can't get any worse, but it does.


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lena_chita wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:

Nice Python reference! Are you suggesting Jeff logged on, locked the "This is DEAD!" thread http://www.rockclimbing.com/..._latest_reply;so=ASC And then left?

Whoah........OK then.

Yes, pretty much. Jeff has other things on his plate, site updating is more difficult, time-consuming, and confusing than he anticipated.

So, changes to this website might happen, but slowly, and with uncertain time table.

Is this place still worth something to you? Then to hell with the outdated forum layout. Just start talking.

Want to turn this into a new active thread? O.K., it is Tuesday, what are you up to? Angelic

Just got back from climbing. A small 15 m Cliff, but with a 2 min approach (useful with current forecast). Aptly named Spinnenfels; everything was full (!) of spiderwebs. I think that climbing there would cure people of arachnaphobia as you HAD to reach through the web for the holds.

The routes itself were ok... one notices that it gets darker earlier again :-(

I've climbed couple routes like that (spider-infested), but it seemed to have an opposite effect on me. There was one spider... I swear, I HEARD the "thunk" sound it made after it hit the ground from 50 feet up!

I have a husband/draw monkey for routes like that. Angelic


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granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:

Nice Python reference! Are you suggesting Jeff logged on, locked the "This is DEAD!" thread http://www.rockclimbing.com/..._latest_reply;so=ASC And then left?

Whoah........OK then.

Yes, pretty much. Jeff has other things on his plate, site updating is more difficult, time-consuming, and confusing than he anticipated.

So, changes to this website might happen, but slowly, and with uncertain time table.

Is this place still worth something to you? Then to hell with the outdated forum layout. Just start talking.

Want to turn this into a new active thread? O.K., it is Tuesday, what are you up to? Angelic

Just got back from climbing. A small 15 m Cliff, but with a 2 min approach (useful with current forecast). Aptly named Spinnenfels; everything was full (!) of spiderwebs. I think that climbing there would cure people of arachnaphobia as you HAD to reach through the web for the holds.

The routes itself were ok... one notices that it gets darker earlier again :-(

I've climbed couple routes like that (spider-infested), but it seemed to have an opposite effect on me. There was one spider... I swear, I HEARD the "thunk" sound it made after it hit the ground from 50 feet up!

I have a husband/draw monkey for routes like that. Angelic
I have OTHER ROUTES AND/OR DESTINATIONS for routes like thatAngelic


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I stopped posting and lost interest when the crap posts started outnumbering the posts with actual climbing content. Geez. I think this is my first post in over a year, even.

I am still climbing - and climbing harder than ever before. I communicate with other climbers via facebook.

Maybe forums are a thing of the past. Maybe those of you who miss the former RC.com culture can connect with one another on some other form of social media.

I do not have high hopes of an RC.com comeback, regardless of what jeff does with the site. You know what they say - you can't polish a turd.

I wouldn't call it a turd, and whatever RC needs, it is not polishing.

But I agree, this seems to be the way a lot of forums are going, not unique to RC by any means...

Good pics from the Squamish trip, btw!


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granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:

Nice Python reference! Are you suggesting Jeff logged on, locked the "This is DEAD!" thread http://www.rockclimbing.com/..._latest_reply;so=ASC And then left?

Whoah........OK then.

Yes, pretty much. Jeff has other things on his plate, site updating is more difficult, time-consuming, and confusing than he anticipated.

So, changes to this website might happen, but slowly, and with uncertain time table.

Is this place still worth something to you? Then to hell with the outdated forum layout. Just start talking.

Want to turn this into a new active thread? O.K., it is Tuesday, what are you up to? Angelic

Just got back from climbing. A small 15 m Cliff, but with a 2 min approach (useful with current forecast). Aptly named Spinnenfels; everything was full (!) of spiderwebs. I think that climbing there would cure people of arachnaphobia as you HAD to reach through the web for the holds.

The routes itself were ok... one notices that it gets darker earlier again :-(

I've climbed couple routes like that (spider-infested), but it seemed to have an opposite effect on me. There was one spider... I swear, I HEARD the "thunk" sound it made after it hit the ground from 50 feet up!

I have a husband/draw monkey for routes like that. Angelic

Great idea, I should get one, too! Tongue


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markc wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
Want to turn this into a new active thread? O.K., it is Tuesday, what are you up to? Angelic

The other weekend I took the kids (3.5 and nearly 9) out toproping at Coopers Rock in WV. The confidence the 9-year-old has bouldering in the gym hasn't translated into roped climbing at the crag. I rigged a couple of the easier climbs and he just wasn't super into it. The younger kid wants to hold the rope rather than the rock, with predicable results. Still, we were out in the woods, I got to climb a tiny bit, and we managed to find okay Chinese food on the way home.

I also realized that all of my slings are probably 14-15 years old, so the credit card got a little exercise, too. Next I get to send off cams to be reslung, in the hopes that I can dust off the rack soon. The mountain bike has been seeing more use than the climbing gear.

I didn't realize that you are close to Coopers! I haven't been there for couple years. Between my knee surgery, and my boyfriend breaking an ankle and the opposite knee in a bouldering comp, and then breaking the other ankle when a random belayer gave him a hard catch... bouldering has been on the back burner.

Anyway, it's cool that your kids are enjoying climbing. Hopefully the trend continues. I am not sure my younger one would ever come back to climbing (her outdoor bouldering has been all at Coopers, incidentally). These days she goes to the gym with me maybe twice a year. Enjoys it a lot, and damn, she is good, if she were climbing regularly, she'd be really good... But then she always says, yeah, but I like gymnastics more. if I stop doing gymnastics some day, maybe I'll start climbing some more.


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billcoe_ wrote:
So Jeff, you locked the thread titled This place is DEAD! In effect, eliminating one of the few remaining active topics anyone concerned about the site can offer up advice. Not sure why, unless you were feeling insecure. Let it run. Let people have discussion.

I didn't lock that discussion, not sure who did. I have no problem with you guys grousing about a situation that I agree sucks.

Possibly one of the mods thought the thread had run its course, I don't know.

Regardless, I'm still chipping away, writing code every day on the site.

Wow. One of only two or three threads in the last month that has created ANY conversation gets locked by "someone" and you just shrug your shoulders.

I continue to be shocked with what has happened (or actually not happened) to this site since October 2013. I keep on thinking it can't get any worse, but it does.

I am confused, too. I wonder if someone locked it accidentally without even realizing that they did? It is theoretically possible.

But that thread being locked started this one, and unlocking it now would be rather pointless... so yeah, shrug.


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Wow. One of only two or three threads in the last month that has created ANY conversation gets locked by "someone" and you just shrug your shoulders.

This sort of thing is partially why I quit moderating. There used to be clear communication in a hidden 'green room' to build moderator consensus before locking a thread. There used to also be transparency, such as 'This post locked by wonderwoman for reason x, y and z' as the last post before locking a thread. The internal conversations stopped at some point.


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lena_chita wrote:
granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:

Nice Python reference! Are you suggesting Jeff logged on, locked the "This is DEAD!" thread http://www.rockclimbing.com/..._latest_reply;so=ASC And then left?

Whoah........OK then.

Yes, pretty much. Jeff has other things on his plate, site updating is more difficult, time-consuming, and confusing than he anticipated.

So, changes to this website might happen, but slowly, and with uncertain time table.

Is this place still worth something to you? Then to hell with the outdated forum layout. Just start talking.

Want to turn this into a new active thread? O.K., it is Tuesday, what are you up to? Angelic

Just got back from climbing. A small 15 m Cliff, but with a 2 min approach (useful with current forecast). Aptly named Spinnenfels; everything was full (!) of spiderwebs. I think that climbing there would cure people of arachnaphobia as you HAD to reach through the web for the holds.

The routes itself were ok... one notices that it gets darker earlier again :-(

I've climbed couple routes like that (spider-infested), but it seemed to have an opposite effect on me. There was one spider... I swear, I HEARD the "thunk" sound it made after it hit the ground from 50 feet up!

I have a husband/draw monkey for routes like that. Angelic

Great idea, I should get one, too! Tongue

Husbands are over rated. Try to get a draw monkey with no strings attached.


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granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:

Nice Python reference! Are you suggesting Jeff logged on, locked the "This is DEAD!" thread http://www.rockclimbing.com/..._latest_reply;so=ASC And then left?

Whoah........OK then.

Yes, pretty much. Jeff has other things on his plate, site updating is more difficult, time-consuming, and confusing than he anticipated.

So, changes to this website might happen, but slowly, and with uncertain time table.

Is this place still worth something to you? Then to hell with the outdated forum layout. Just start talking.

Want to turn this into a new active thread? O.K., it is Tuesday, what are you up to? Angelic

Just got back from climbing. A small 15 m Cliff, but with a 2 min approach (useful with current forecast). Aptly named Spinnenfels; everything was full (!) of spiderwebs. I think that climbing there would cure people of arachnaphobia as you HAD to reach through the web for the holds.

The routes itself were ok... one notices that it gets darker earlier again :-(

I've climbed couple routes like that (spider-infested), but it seemed to have an opposite effect on me. There was one spider... I swear, I HEARD the "thunk" sound it made after it hit the ground from 50 feet up!

I have a husband/draw monkey for routes like that. Angelic

Great idea, I should get one, too! Tongue

Husbands are over rated. Try to get a draw monkey with no strings attached.

But... what do I pull, in order for the draw monkey to do what i want, if there are no strings attached? Tongue


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billcoe_ wrote:
...As far as achieving the site culture you said that you desired in your first post, I'd say that you have been able to successfully achieve it. The cost is to you and the site, as people were invited to leave via your invitation, and they did. Perhaps you might consider what you really wanted?

I'd say Jeff got exactly what he wanted. No more troublesome people to actually contribute interesting content to the site and, as others have pointed out, unique site visitors up 3 to 4 times versus last year. The best of both worlds for an owner.

Curt


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curt wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:
...As far as achieving the site culture you said that you desired in your first post, I'd say that you have been able to successfully achieve it. The cost is to you and the site, as people were invited to leave via your invitation, and they did. Perhaps you might consider what you really wanted?

I'd say Jeff got exactly what he wanted. No more troublesome people to actually contribute interesting content to the site and, as others have pointed out, unique site visitors up 3 to 4 times versus last year. The best of both worlds for an owner.

Curt

I hope Jeff enjoys it while it lasts. No new content = no sustainability.


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lena_chita wrote:
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I have a husband

Great idea, I should get one, too! Tongue
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lena_chita wrote:
granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
granite_grrl wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
lena_chita wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:

Nice Python reference! Are you suggesting Jeff logged on, locked the "This is DEAD!" thread http://www.rockclimbing.com/..._latest_reply;so=ASC And then left?

Whoah........OK then.

Yes, pretty much. Jeff has other things on his plate, site updating is more difficult, time-consuming, and confusing than he anticipated.

So, changes to this website might happen, but slowly, and with uncertain time table.

Is this place still worth something to you? Then to hell with the outdated forum layout. Just start talking.

Want to turn this into a new active thread? O.K., it is Tuesday, what are you up to? Angelic

Just got back from climbing. A small 15 m Cliff, but with a 2 min approach (useful with current forecast). Aptly named Spinnenfels; everything was full (!) of spiderwebs. I think that climbing there would cure people of arachnaphobia as you HAD to reach through the web for the holds.

The routes itself were ok... one notices that it gets darker earlier again :-(

I've climbed couple routes like that (spider-infested), but it seemed to have an opposite effect on me. There was one spider... I swear, I HEARD the "thunk" sound it made after it hit the ground from 50 feet up!

I have a husband/draw monkey for routes like that. Angelic

Great idea, I should get one, too! Tongue

Husbands are over rated. Try to get a draw monkey with no strings attached.

But... what do I pull, in order for the draw monkey to do what i want, if there are no strings attached? Tongue



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curt wrote:
billcoe_ wrote:
...As far as achieving the site culture you said that you desired in your first post, I'd say that you have been able to successfully achieve it. The cost is to you and the site, as people were invited to leave via your invitation, and they did. Perhaps you might consider what you really wanted?

I'd say Jeff got exactly what he wanted. No more troublesome people to actually contribute interesting content to the site and, as others have pointed out, unique site visitors up 3 to 4 times versus last year. The best of both worlds for an owner.

Curt

you pretty much nailed it curt. i do believe, however, that the site was on a downward slide before the purchase. inattentive owners before jeff helped paved the way. Add in other social media sites where people could connect on a more personal level without restrictions and users leave.

i think some users thought jeff would be the savior, get the site revived.

it's a good domain names, creating traffic, but i don't think they community vibe of rc.com will come back.


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Add your name to the list by bumping this thread back to the top. Maybe we can pump a little life back in the old RC.com. Wink

Bumping and Pumping here:-) Jeff, good to hear it wasn't you. [confused] I'd suggest that you check in with whomever it was that killed the most interesting active thread on the site and have a short discourse on your expectations though.

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You need to go to Hell!!

Haha!!! I sure as hell do Dave. Last time I saw you was in Yosemite I think. My boy just came through town and was soliciting me to spend 3 weeks in Yosemite "hey dad get in shape lets climb Astroman". Uhhh, right son. I was panting like a dog just thinking about the valley with my son. I get to work all stoked, check the company calender and everyone else has vacation during that time period. Crap.




Lena - glad you are feeling better, maybe we need to have an old persons campfire wherein we all sit and bitch on our medical and health issues. I'll go first....err, second. Just wrapping up my 2nd shoulder surgery recovery (this was the right shoulder, I didn't even bother asking what was wrong with it). The surgery didn't go well, was climbing just yesterday and it still hurts but now I get occasional steroid shots in the joint. JUICE ME DOC!!!

The left shoulder was stitched up first and I had asked what was wrong with that one.


3 years before this picture, I'd slipped hiking and screwed up both shoulders. Tryed to let nature fix them. (bad idea) Couple of days before this picture, we had climbed 26 or 28 pitches that day (pain). In this shot, I could tell things were going from bad to worse as I was running P2 and p3 together. It was hurting so bad at the top of the pitch everytime I reached over my head....like a lot, and seemed to be getting worse. When we woke up I asked buddy if he wanted to lead the rest as I felt I could still jug if I kept my arms low, or if bailing was OK- thank the dear lord he said we could bail.

According to the left shoulder MRI when I got back, my suprispinatius was torn most of the way through -was hanging by a few threads, my infraspinatus tendon was half way torn through, I had a torn labrum, in the surgery they ground down the collar bone and also stitched the bicep tendon which was screwed up for some reason I was never clear about. Turned out I also had artritus and they cut out a lot of my shoulder artritus (it shows up white on an MRI they said) while they were in there.

Don't go climbing without Ibuprofen is the message :-)


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Add your name to the list by bumping this thread back to the top. Maybe we can pump a little life back in the old RC.com. Wink

Bumping and Pumping here:-) Jeff, good to hear it wasn't you. [confused] I'd suggest that you check in with whomever it was that killed the most interesting active thread on the site and have a short discourse on your expectations though.

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You need to go to Hell!!

Haha!!! I sure as hell do Dave. Last time I saw you was in Yosemite I think. My boy just came through town and was soliciting me to spend 3 weeks in Yosemite "hey dad get in shape lets climb Astroman". Uhhh, right son. I was panting like a dog just thinking about the valley with my son. I get to work all stoked, check the company calender and everyone else has vacation during that time period. Crap.




Lena - glad you are feeling better, maybe we need to have an old persons campfire wherein we all sit and bitch on our medical and health issues. I'll go first....err, second. Just wrapping up my 2nd shoulder surgery recovery (this was the right shoulder, I didn't even bother asking what was wrong with it). The surgery didn't go well, was climbing just yesterday and it still hurts but now I get occasional steroid shots in the joint. JUICE ME DOC!!!

The left shoulder was stitched up first and I had asked what was wrong with that one.


3 years before this picture, I'd slipped hiking and screwed up both shoulders. Tryed to let nature fix them. (bad idea) Couple of days before this picture, we had climbed 26 or 28 pitches that day (pain). In this shot, I could tell things were going from bad to worse as I was running P2 and p3 together. It was hurting so bad at the top of the pitch everytime I reached over my head....like a lot, and seemed to be getting worse. When we woke up I asked buddy if he wanted to lead the rest as I felt I could still jug if I kept my arms low, or if bailing was OK- thank the dear lord he said we could bail.

According to the left shoulder MRI when I got back, my suprispinatius was torn most of the way through -was hanging by a few threads, my infraspinatus tendon was half way torn through, I had a torn labrum, in the surgery they ground down the collar bone and also stitched the bicep tendon which was screwed up for some reason I was never clear about. Turned out I also had artritus and they cut out a lot of my shoulder artritus (it shows up white on an MRI they said) while they were in there.

Don't go climbing without Ibuprofen is the message :-)

Aren't surgeries fun? Crazy Sorry to hear your 2nd shoulder didn't recover well. Give it more time, maybe?

I was really frustrated with the knee surgery for a long while. Dr. said 3 months recovery, but what he meant was 3 months until I can walk, go up-down-stairs, and sit at work all day. I kept pressing him about climbing, but I guess, like most doctors, he was thinking climbing as in, walking up the mountains, and so he said, 3-4 months, no problem.

6 months post- surgery, I was still griping to my PT friend about how my knee was worth crap now, and how I couldn't do anything I actually needed to do. And she kept telling me, one year. It will take at least one year before your knee is recovered in YOUR sense of what recovery means.

We disagreed about what is considered "recovery", in terms of knee function. You'd be surprised, by I have it on good authority now, that being able to do 1 legged squats, and jumping down from 10-12 feet high are not considered normal! Who knew!!!! Tongue That's crazy-talk!!!

But anyway, exactly one year to the date, while in WY, I tried doing a one-legged squat again. And my knee finally, finally obliged. Long uphill hikes with backpack is a great form of PT.


Ibuprofen is permanently residing in my climbing pack. Though thankfully it is usually it's not for me, it's other people who make sad faces and ask if anyone around them have ibuprofen. And oh yes, you are not the only one who climbed until a day before surgery...


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If people want there to be content on the site, then do something about it rather than expect it to magically appear. Make a thread(I added one), and tend to it a bit if needed. Add a new photo or two.


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roadstead wrote:

Add your name to the list by bumping this thread back to the top. Maybe we can pump a little life back in the old RC.com. Wink

OK


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Add a new photo or two.

Last weekend on the hill behind my house




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yanqui wrote:
happiegrrrl wrote:
Add a new photo or two.

Last weekend on the hill behind my house


nice backyard! :)


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rocknice2 wrote:

this site used to be:




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My Space of Climbing Forums. Seen this before with "Live the Vision"


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Pretty snotty title.


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Snot is the grease that lubes the channels of communications.


Works well IMO.
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Snot is the grease that lubes the channels of communications.]
I thought it was snark?


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Snark works great, when well lubed with snot.

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I just wanted to be included. I have nothing to add.


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stevecurtis wrote:
Pretty snotty title.

Agreed, I copy/pasted the the title exactly as the other earlier one that was whacked/killed by an unnamed moderator. For no apparent reason. Go to this link: http://www.rockclimbing.com/..._latest_reply;so=ASC So then you agree that the first amendment sucks and nobody really needs nor should have free speech? Good for you. Got any climbing pictures? If not, STFU and stop being a douchbag.
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This is for the solid dude Dave Stephans. Dave, we are picking the plums from your backyard haha. This 1200' now 1/2 way climbed face is getting done for the first time. Not as many bolts as Hells canyon, but a shitload for sure anyway. My piss poor shoulders and attitude notwithstanding, hope to get it finished next year, gonna close out this year as the rain/cold is about here and the deer and elk hunters certainly are - good times. Route is now right at the top of the photo and to the left of the roofs at that fur patch. Last trip up, a squirrel suitor about to jump chose to pitch a rock over to clear the launch spot. Oh, he yelled "rock", and oh, it whacked me in the chest for sure:-0 Had my helmet too high up, it was on my head.




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I just wanted to be included. I have nothing to add.

Haha. Nice pitch! Welcome aboard, you got more than most of us and in fact, most assuredly more substance and interesting way to say it than that whining douchbag up there complaining about the title^^^^LOL. Any climbing shots?


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ptftw's are not dead

iz troo


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climbingtrash wrote:
sungam wrote:
ptftw's are not dead

iz troo
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Now that we live on the same landmass are we going to climb a rock?


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WOW! this thread sure has resurrected some old-timers.....
er, what was the question?


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sungam wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
sungam wrote:
ptftw's are not dead

iz troo
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Now that we live on the same landmass are we going to climb a rock?

Sure, I'll 2 to 1 yore arse up a root. Where on teh landmass are ewe?


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climbingtrash wrote:
sungam wrote:
climbingtrash wrote:
sungam wrote:
ptftw's are not dead

iz troo
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Now that we live on the same landmass are we going to climb a rock?

Sure, I'll 2 to 1 yore arse up a root. Where on teh landmass are ewe?
C A L I B O I S


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This thread even brought me out of retirement to add a drive by post shooting.


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This thread even brought me out of retirement to add a drive by post shooting.
Wow, I almost forgot your fabulous profile piccy existed m8

Wonderous. Majestic. Arousing. 11/10.


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philbox wrote:
This thread even brought me out of retirement to add a drive by post shooting.

But aren't you the king moderator?


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This thread even brought me out of retirement to add a drive by post shooting.

Funny, I was about to say nearly the same thing. I came by to see if anyone wanted to climb with me on Saturday, but dayum...this place is dead, huh? Somebody should start a thread about that.


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RC.com has been as much a scandal rant troll site as supertopo for a decade. Mountainproject won.


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epicsaga wrote:
RC.com has been as much a scandal rant troll site as supertopo for a decade. Mountainproject won.
Actually I am p. sure reddit won((


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Well said ^. I miss the vibrancy and relevance of the old RC.com. I don't miss some of the ass hat attack mentality some posters had, but they were a small minority and often added needed counterpoint.
http://www.sales.care


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It was a yin/yang that fed the worm oroboros. but another thing that has killed it is how damn risky all this social media shee is.

People are leaving the SM or transferring to footbook the giant that eats all, the wallmart of the social self publishers. Snow white and the 7 dwarves sites.

There can only be one.

But the risk thisng is unreal. DAmn a lot of nuts in the sport, guys who want control for money. Making it, taking it. Then there are the stalkers, guys who hate what you say, no matter which side you are on, you will piss off somebody, and the wound is there in print forever.


Nobody respects the avatar as a gentlemans veil, the ficticious psuedonym that would allow people to explore TWO sides, make two arguments even for just the cause of exploring the argument. Someone has to take the less popular side, in debates the counter and the direct argument are assigned. No chpoise. Dont argue a conservative point here, you are going be lonely. The liberal perfume is still strong. But some guys will PUNISH you for honesty, much less devoious behavious.

Its like a snake or a crocodile, you can't tell if its dead, it can still bite in an instant after sitting motionless for days. Who can risk posting in an environment like this? 5 years after you post something, somebody decides you said something wrong and need to be punished?

I'm fucking showing a autistic/compulsive streak for even writing this.

And so are you, dear brother climbing zombie posters.


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Rokjox wrote:
I'm fucking showing a autistic/compulsive streak for even writing this.
Embrace the tism - it is as worthy a character trait as any.


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Rokjox wrote:
It was a yin/yang that fed the worm oroboros. but another thing that has killed it is how damn risky all this social media shee is.

People are leaving the SM or transferring to footbook the giant that eats all, the wallmart of the social self publishers. Snow white and the 7 dwarves sites.

There can only be one.

But the risk thisng is unreal. DAmn a lot of nuts in the sport, guys who want control for money. Making it, taking it. Then there are the stalkers, guys who hate what you say, no matter which side you are on, you will piss off somebody, and the wound is there in print forever.


Nobody respects the avatar as a gentlemans veil, the ficticious psuedonym that would allow people to explore TWO sides, make two arguments even for just the cause of exploring the argument. Someone has to take the less popular side, in debates the counter and the direct argument are assigned. No chpoise. Dont argue a conservative point here, you are going be lonely. The liberal perfume is still strong. But some guys will PUNISH you for honesty, much less devoious behavious.

Its like a snake or a crocodile, you can't tell if its dead, it can still bite in an instant after sitting motionless for days. Who can risk posting in an environment like this? 5 years after you post something, somebody decides you said something wrong and need to be punished?

I'm fucking showing a autistic/compulsive streak for even writing this.

And so are you, dear brother climbing zombie posters.

Hooray for drug-induced ranting! Maybe this place is making a comeback after all.


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jt512 wrote:
Hooray for drug-induced ranting! Maybe this place is making a comeback after all.
No, J, off topic, conversational, or comedic posts that do anything to make the forum less like a wiki article are BAD for the forums' activity and is what KILLS websites.

I know this because the mods told me, and clearly they know how to keep a website alive.

ayyyyyy


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sungam wrote:
I know this because the mods told me, and clearly they know how to keep a website alive.
Obviously they and the site owner are taking lessons from the gunks.com site owner.


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....... off topic, conversational, or comedic posts that do anything to make the forum less like a wiki article are BAD for the forums' activity and is what KILLS websites.....

so, .... on-topic, serious, one-sided posts that make the forum more like a wiki-article are GOOD for forum activity and NURTURE websites? interesting......


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Ironic that this is the most lively thread in ages.


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"lively"

Interesting word choice.


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we are either older now or wiser or none of the above


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majid_sabet wrote:
we are either older now or wiser or none of the above

So "all of the above" is right out of the question then? And more importantly, would you bet a daisy-chained core-strand rappel on it? ;)


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I was worried about you


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Couldn't believe I missed so little in the last year(s). Just drove by by accident.

Good to see that some of the fellow posters are still alive - so much more than this forum...

Cheers across the big blue bath tub from an aging Eurofreak. Haven't seen much of the bunch in the last five or so years but I know that at least some of them are still in the business.

So just a friendly "Berg Frei" from me and have a nice one!


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marc801 wrote:
sungam wrote:
I know this because the mods told me, and clearly they know how to keep a website alive.
Obviously they and the site owner are taking lessons from the gunks.com site owner.
OK, now that is funny.

Curt


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As I make a life shift (job related), I am given to thinking more about branding and success of companies. Economically we are used to thinking of zero sum games where one person’s loss is exactly another person’s gain or non-zero sum games where cooperation and competition are possible. Companies aren’t, however, participating in a game where the parties are equally time bound. “Over working” is possible in both the general sense of participating in an activity more and in how I will use it which includes continuous improvement.

Climbing better than a peer is a great example of “over working” as I will use it. The person who trains better and more often will become a better climber. Sure there are other factors that influence the outcome, but at the core more and better practice makes a better climber. Part of the challenge is in the definition of a peer set. If I choose my peer set as middle aged people who live in the flatlands, I’m a fantastic climber because I am one of the few in this situation who climb and I have over worked them at climbing. If I chose the peer set as people who have climbed as long as I have, I am an average to below average climber. Most people who have climbed as long as I have have over worked me in climbing.

Success for a company is about over working. For many startups it involves a compressed timeline to stake out a market position prior to any competition. The over working is facilitated by sharing the risk (stock options) and encouraging a culture where the per-hour wage rate is suppressed due to this shared risk. Family/ethnic restaurants work because there is additional labor (kids, cousins, parents) that is willing to work for little or no money and help over work their peers. Vanity companies started by extremely wealthy individuals have an over work advantage of capital that allows for spending money that peers just don’t have. Once, however, a position is established in the marketplace, over working becomes a difficult proposition. Large investment banks try to create a culture of over working, but since most of their business is already in existing markets, the culture creates a byproduct of illegal activities. You simply can’t over work once a stable state is achieved.

Companies try to shift back to an over work mentality on a regular basis. Corporate restructuring measures which are an effort to over work compared to the other companies in the market. By reducing headcount, there is an inherent short term burst of over working by the remaining employees. However, because the company itself is already in an established market, the gains will always be temporary. The increased wealth created is real, but no one and no organization can exist in an over working state forever.

New ownership is often a way to get into a new over working environment. A new owner will often come in and over work the prior ownership dedicating more time, money and effort to re-vitalize an existing company than the prior ownership did. That was the collective thought about this site when it was sold the last time. That a new owner would come in and over work the situation (better user interface, dedicated time to photos, cleaning up the route DB, etc. ect. ect.) As we have seen, we have instead a manage-for-cash environment. From a business standpoint, this is an acceptable place to be. It is, however, as can be clearly seen here, a form of dying.

Now dying can take a long time or a short time and it is inevitable. If a company isn’t over working and isn’t growing, it is dying. Facebook is dying, it may take years or it may take decades, but it isn’t over working for growth, it is dying. Facebook will generate lots of cash until it dies. Google (Alphabet) is dying despite trying to be continually innovative. Microsoft – dying. This list goes on and on. Some of the dying companies are managed to generate more cash than others, but in the end, if you aren’t growing you are dying. Warren Buffet makes very good money on dying. The companies he buys are all dying. He just is fantastic at calculating how much cash they will generate vs. how much they could be bought for. This type of analysis is only possible on dying companies. Look even at the name of his company, Berkshire-Hathaway. It is the name of two now dead companies.

New owners can over work and create growth. Re-orgs can temporarily create over work and growth. Expanding into new markets can create growth. Doing nothing does not create growth. And that is why this place is in the state that it is. With no over working, no growth, and no change, death is the inevitable result.


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When there are ten poster repeatedly putting up asshat comments and jacking threads for sport, it may look like liveliness(especially to the asshats!) but the less excitable bread and butter users may or may not be enjoying the show.

The thing is, regular users don't have access to the stats the site is pulling. The ones who can see the traffic patterns and see the navigation of users within the platform, they are in a position to know if asshattery is good or bad for a site.


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happiegrrrl wrote:
When there are ten poster repeatedly putting up asshat comments and jacking threads for sport, it may look like liveliness(especially to the asshats!) but the less excitable bread and butter users may or may not be enjoying the show.
Clearly not allowing derailing/asshattery has worked wonders for the forum activity Unimpressed


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The forums were dead in the waters when Jeff bought the site.

If you don't want to see what happened here, take a look at Supertopo, where posters have been *enjoying* the asshattery the whole time. Many of the best climbers in recent history used to post regularly there and one by one they began to leave because the nastiness and other BS made them wonder why people had to act that way. They stated it outright. Nowadays you have about 10 people who create drama and stupidity in most every thread. There is still some quality of life in the site, but the top posts are filled with vileness, ignorance and idiocy; from the same few posters running rampant.

Anyway - Happy Thanksgiving Day to those in US and Happy Just Today for those others. Today I am going to take a look at the Blowing Rock bouldering area in NC. And then have my 2nd Annual Cracker Barrel T/G Day meal.


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happiegrrrl wrote:
The forums were dead in the waters when Jeff bought the site.

If you don't want to see what happened here, take a look at Supertopo, where posters have been *enjoying* the asshattery the whole time. Many of the best climbers in recent history used to post regularly there and one by one they began to leave because the nastiness and other BS made them wonder why people had to act that way.

Which is ironic, since it was, as often as not, 'some of the best climbers in modern history' who were creating a good bit of the BS and wearing the asshats.

People stop to look at train wrecks and suicides.... and there is always another new train wreck or suicide just down the information superhighway.

Controlling who talks about climbing and how is as impossible as controlling who climbs... but a special breed believes that someday somehow, they will figure out how to do all three.

That's human nature; breaking the rules and challenging the impossible.

Sounds a lot like climbing, doesn't it?


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There is a very large difference between toxicity and threads following a natural progression to casual discussion.
I never said it was Jeff that did it, either. I wasn't referring to his "no nasty language" kinda-rule that came in.


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So then, about when was it that "not allowing derailing/asshattery" was instituted at this site?

As for toxicity, I suppose it depends on one's level of taste. Trailer trash types think Corelleware is "fine china," after all. But seems to me that there has been plenty of vile and toxic banter on this thread....back before derailing and asshattery was frowned upon, at least.


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happiegrrrl wrote:
........Trailer trash types think Corelleware is "fine china," ........

have you been a judgmental ass all your life or did it slowly develop as you got older?


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I guess you are a fan of Correlleware then.


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Happi, the only "regular users" (in which you are not included) who do not have access to the website stats on users is the ones who are without-a-clue. Alexa and a dozen other sites provide extensive analitics on EVERY major website..

http://www.alexa.com/


I wouldn't want to make it TOO easy for you, but explore that site and you will find a dozen solid statistics, all nicely graphed. Supertopo is one of the most stricken that is still alive. They used to have a posistion solidly in the 20,000 range, now they have fallen off the entire graph, alexa no longer publishes their complete states because Supertopo doesn't even make the top 100,000, if you can call that "top". THIS SITE has FAR better attendance than ST does, even NOW. As a "dead site" NOBODY is watching ST anymore, not in the numbers they were when I was posting there. Not for the last TWO YEARS (and more) have they even put a blip in the charts. COMPLETELY BLANK and forgotten. And it took them a WHILE to fall that far because of averaging errors. ST is now all about the "gear reviews" that never have a bad word to say about ANYKIND of junk or crap that is ever sold to anybody. Look at the front page anytime, even though nobody bumps a gear review much, they are always on the front page. Because nobody else is posting enough to move them down.

HA-ha-ha!

The guys you hate (and who hated you) WERE the top climbers. They ARE gone now, and it had nothing much to do with the battles they engaged in with each other, it has to do with how much fun the website and the posters were. And are NOT now.

Supertopo and RC are NOT FUN ANY MOREZ. The bigmouth self-righteous Christians, like yourself, got EXACTLY what they wanted, the death of anybody who posted ANYTHING they did not like. YOU RUN SUPERTOPO NOW! So what is it you don't like again?

I could still be posting if I chose another username, but I refuse to because I did nothing wrong and will not hide from a pandering bunch of sycophants all yelling in unison about how butthurt they are about people bolder and more thoughtful than yourself "controlling" the forum discussions. So WE badboys are all GONE now. Its YOURS. And who the Hell wants to read what YOU post?


YOU are the cause of the death of forums, you need look no farther than that. Banning people first because they had not enough credentials (like Fattrad and Lois) then because they were not respectful enough (to YOU) or because they talked "rough" became banning people because they had "too many posts". EVERYBODY good has a ban somewhere.

If you ban the most enthusiastic and prolific posters, it gets you exactly where you are now with Supertopo. And THIS site, too. And "Mountains and Stuff", and all the others.

Damn near talking to yourself with only a few people left who can even STAND reading the tripe you post. PLENTY of people have asked for your insipid self to be banned. Lets face it, you are a nobody/non-climber who should have been taken out and shot years ago. You are FAR too lame to ride. No man wants to saddle you even for a joke. You got nothing to say, and all those who DID have stories and sharp opinions are gone now.


So can YOU keep Supertopo afloat? Can YOU find enough people who love or hate your stuff enough to even bother to reply at all? I think not. You are just another hanger on, glorying in what you perceive to be bold and badass climbers hanging onto YOUR every word. But as you have noted, all the badasses turned out to be difficult and annoying people who did not pay you much attention. They insulted you. Wah-wah-wah.

So are you Happi with the "ten guys" who remain posting on that website? You ain't gonna get no strokes from Werner, you know.



Bye-bye Happi. Hope you choke on that Cracker Barrel T-day dinner. Must be lonely being you. I got a 17 lb turkey smoked for 7 hours at a table including my wife, some of my kids and some of my grandkids. Wasn't 17 people like the last time my wife did the meal, but it was pretty good turnout given how many of our kids are out-of-state.



Bye again Not-so-Happigrrrrrrll.






(EDIT: Just checked Alexa again and BOTH this site and Supertopo has fallen off the chart. This site is down 41.5 THOUSAND places this month. Rounding errors eventually work themselves out.

ST is running a 40% bounce rate. That means 40% of the people who hit the site turn away IMMEDIATELY and go somewhere else. And its not because they read some shee, they are reading NOTHING. Just like here, there is nothing TO read.)

MY how fast the end comes once it starts to nose-over. You can say it's still going, you can call it flying, but the landing is cataclysmic.


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Rox - I am aware of Alexa, Quantcast and other sites that provide demographics. That is not the same as being privy to in-house navigation.


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happiegrrrl wrote:
As for toxicity, I suppose it depends on one's level of taste. Trailer trash types think Corelleware is "fine china," after all.
Yeah I would say being shitty about "trailer trash" and elitest about the kind of china you use counts as toxicity, thanks for the example.Cool


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Funny, I would think the personal attacks on anyone that asked the BET to stop bombing every thread that occurred on the site a few years ago would have been a more apt example of toxicity than my making a general reference that was attached to nobody on this forum.

Myself - I could take it. I am a Taurus after all - bull-headed, stubborn, and a person who will stick to their convictions against any adversary. But there were plenty of people who were abused that simply stopped posting, or left, rather than fight a few bullies and their cheerleading squad.

To be clear - Sungam, I don't think of you as ever having been a caustic person this site. When I think of the things you have posted over the years, I remember a sort of happy go lucky person. That you happen to be one of the few posting on this thread, I just wanted to clarify my comments were not referring you personally.


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You're right. The dates on the forum threads say it all. Mountain Project has won the battle if there ever even was one.


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brianri wrote:
You're right. The dates on the forum threads say it all. Mountain Project has won the battle if there ever even was one.

Actually, most of the communications among RC.com members that used to occur on the forums here have probably moved to Facebook--not MP. MP has never been particularly valued for its forums--more for its routes database and photos.

Curt


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Actually, most of the communications among RC.com members that used to occur on the forums here have probably moved to Facebook--not MP. MP has never been particularly valued for its forums--more for its routes database and photos.

Curt
"never been particularly valued for its forums" is very subjective. There are new posts there by the minute compared to by the week here. What FaceBook page are you talking about? Does rc climbing have a FaceBook site or is it a hodgepodge of different sites depending on the area?


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I think Curt probably means people just post their climbing stuff on their own FB pages. RCdotcom does have a FB and Twitter page, but even when it was active it was not done with any serious effort.


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I enjoyed climbing with you Happiegrrrl (and others). Happy holidays, be safe, and climb on.

Cheers,
-Dave B

Smile


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uh, my reply didn't post. That's okay because it gives me the 100 snipe*

tl;dr I am bitter because my favourite internet playground is a ghost town now.





*YES I KNOW


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Don't be bitter.

Ok, be bitter.


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And I'm just being snarky because of the past history w/ the little Miss.

I used to support herr when she got a lot of shee for some time she failed to impress someone (on ST). Somehow that changed and I don't offer her the kind of kudos I once did. Now she seems to be expexting other people to behave according to some rules she has set up without getting a contract signed by the rest of the world. It's called Magical Thinking by some.

I know she hates me, I read the emails and saved them for future enjoyment. I should tell her now how much of an influence she has been on me.

After considering her opinion, I took all my clothes off, washed my Chakra with sage smoke, took an enema and spent months in meditation and therapy.

I now recognize that my essential self occasionally manifests itself as a difficult person (step one, admit the problem), but I am now OK with that, its only a small, manageable handicap and many have it, such as God.

(God is DIFFICULT!, trust me, we talk all the time)

I have aligned myself now with the essential white light of the universe and I feel GOOD about myself as a result.

HALLALUHA-HA-HA!!


Bye, happi. You ROCK girl~!





...byyee...
(Blush)


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In reply to:
"I know she hates me, I read the emails and saved them for future enjoyment."

There is something wrong with you Rokjox. I have emails which we exchanged too, you know. There wre two series. The first was innocuous and came from you, after a thread on Supetopo where you requested information about dog sitters in Queens, I guess for your kid's dog. I mentioned, on ST, that I had a very good one and would provide contact if you wanted. You sent me a message via ST thanking me. (5/20/08)

I responded to that email with the phone number of the sitter, my personal reference, and to mention that I had referred them if they contacted the service.


The next one came, again from you, and unsolicited, on 1/31/10. It started out
In reply to:
"Happi;


thanks for the post, It would mean a lot to Rokjox that you cared enough to say that.

But Rokjox died last night."

Not sure what that was about...Perhaps it was when your profile got deactivated on ST

The next one, again unsolicited, came on 2/2/10 where you detailed your conversations with CMac about the way some people were being towards women on the site. Apparently it was a stupid drama of some sort, and you were intending to defend the women. You sent the same email to LEB and Crimpergirl, and so now my email address was known to LEB.

I must have said - on ST - that I didn't like having my email address made available, because the next email from you came the next day, 2/3/10 where you said I could have just emailed you about my distress instead of making it public.

I did respond to that email, and if you'd like, I can post a screenshot of it here.

The next day you emailed me and apologized for for it, saying you hadn't realized it was an issue. I responded, accepted your apology and reiterated that I did not like to have behind-the-scenes conversations pertaining to forum discussion drama, and that I would not be corresponding further on the subject.

That was the last email communication you and I had.



So.... I have no clue what emails you think show that I have a hatred for you, but let's get this straight right now.

I'm considering the last two posts you have made that reference me to be harassment. Please stop. If you cannot, or will not, do so, I will send a message to Jeff, asking for his assistance in disallowing you to continue.


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happiegrrrl wrote:
disallowing you to continue.

Did I miss something...is 'ban' a prohibited word? Can't imagine what else led to this convoluted phrase.


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I didn't suggest that being banned from the site might be an outcome. I have no idea what Jeff would do if I complained. That's not my within my control.


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THAT is what you call "Passive Aggressive".


Oh, little anonymous avatar, who could harass a figment of your imagination? Legally unlikely. You are the one showing your undies. I had thought YOU were soliciting the dog walking job. Didn't you do street walking professionally in Queens?

As to Jeff, eh, maybe he will do less than you hope.

Do whatever you want, baby. You will anyway. I bet that email is already been sent, hot electrons blazing their way across the limitless expanse of your rage. I can recommend you some website that give good advice on such things. There is a process and a form to follow.

I spent some time recently learning about such things.


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There is nothing passive about my aggressiveness. It was a direct request and you have chosen to ignore it. I have flagged the three posts.

Now, leave me alone.


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I'm starting to remember why I liked this place


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ubu wrote:
I'm starting to remember why I liked this place
There's a reason the reality tv gets more funding then documentaries.


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sungam wrote:
ubu wrote:
I'm starting to remember why I liked this place
There's a reason the reality tv gets more funding then documentaries.
I MISS THE OLD HISTORY CHANNEL ((((((

Edit to add: this is me staying wayyy tf out of whatever is going on up there ^


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happiegrrrl wrote:
There is nothing passive about my aggressiveness. It was a direct request and you have chosen to ignore it. I have flagged the three posts.

Now, leave me alone.

I dunno, if you and Rox keep at it you might be able to singlehandedly (well, doublehandedly) revive this site.


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sungam wrote:
sungam wrote:
ubu wrote:
I'm starting to remember why I liked this place
There's a reason the reality tv gets more funding then documentaries.
I MISS THE OLD HISTORY CHANNEL ((((((

Edit to add: this is me staying wayyy tf out of whatever is going on up there ^

"Without conflict, there is no progress"

I always thought the best way for rc.com to get back on its feet would be to show soap box posts on the front page. Why hide the best part of the site?


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ubu wrote:
sungam wrote:
sungam wrote:
ubu wrote:
I'm starting to remember why I liked this place
There's a reason the reality tv gets more funding then documentaries.
I MISS THE OLD HISTORY CHANNEL ((((((

Edit to add: this is me staying wayyy tf out of whatever is going on up there ^

"Without conflict, there is no progress"

I always thought the best way for rc.com to get back on its feet would be to show soap box posts on the front page. Why hide the best part of the site?

Rc.com, come because it has "rock climbing" in the url, stay for the opinionated jerks.


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
ubu wrote:
sungam wrote:
sungam wrote:
ubu wrote:
I'm starting to remember why I liked this place
There's a reason the reality tv gets more funding then documentaries.
I MISS THE OLD HISTORY CHANNEL ((((((

Edit to add: this is me staying wayyy tf out of whatever is going on up there ^

"Without conflict, there is no progress"

I always thought the best way for rc.com to get back on its feet would be to show soap box posts on the front page. Why hide the best part of the site?

Rc.com, come because it has "rock climbing" in the url, stay for the opinionated jerks.

Yes, but at least they are opinionated rock-climbing jerks.


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happiegrrrl wrote:
Myself - I could take it. I am a Taurus after all - bull-headed, stubborn, and a person who will stick to their convictions against any adversary. But there were plenty of people who were abused that simply stopped posting, or left, rather than fight a few bullies and their cheerleading squad.

Yes, it was clear you pictured yourself as the champion of some downtrodden posters but I usually found your crusading more tiresome than what you were "battling". It often felt that you saw more adversaries than there really were. You clearly have your ideal of how a forum should be, but need to accept that not everyone will feel the same.

I was hopeful (very mildly anyway - and excited also seemed way to strong an emotion) to see new posts here. That was quickly replaced with the let down of "oh, just happiegrrrl complaining about a years-passed grudge with the BET posters".


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ubu wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
ubu wrote:
sungam wrote:
sungam wrote:
ubu wrote:
I'm starting to remember why I liked this place
There's a reason the reality tv gets more funding then documentaries.
I MISS THE OLD HISTORY CHANNEL ((((((

Edit to add: this is me staying wayyy tf out of whatever is going on up there ^

"Without conflict, there is no progress"

I always thought the best way for rc.com to get back on its feet would be to show soap box posts on the front page. Why hide the best part of the site?

Rc.com, come because it has "rock climbing" in the url, stay for the opinionated jerks.

Yes, but at least they are opinionated rock-climbing jerks.

less content more quote boxes


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iknowfear wrote:
ubu wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
ubu wrote:
sungam wrote:
sungam wrote:
ubu wrote:
I'm starting to remember why I liked this place
There's a reason the reality tv gets more funding then documentaries.
I MISS THE OLD HISTORY CHANNEL ((((((

Edit to add: this is me staying wayyy tf out of whatever is going on up there ^

"Without conflict, there is no progress"

I always thought the best way for rc.com to get back on its feet would be to show soap box posts on the front page. Why hide the best part of the site?

Rc.com, come because it has "rock climbing" in the url, stay for the opinionated jerks.

Yes, but at least they are opinionated rock-climbing jerks.

less content more quote boxes [/quote

Blast from the past, including cheesetit (or is that a non pc word which gets the banz?


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iknowfear wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
ubu wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
ubu wrote:
sungam wrote:
sungam wrote:
ubu wrote:
I'm starting to remember why I liked this place
There's a reason the reality tv gets more funding then documentaries.
I MISS THE OLD HISTORY CHANNEL ((((((

Edit to add: this is me staying wayyy tf out of whatever is going on up there ^

"Without conflict, there is no progress"

I always thought the best way for rc.com to get back on its feet would be to show soap box posts on the front page. Why hide the best part of the site?

Rc.com, come because it has "rock climbing" in the url, stay for the opinionated jerks.

Yes, but at least they are opinionated rock-climbing jerks.

less content more quote boxes [/quote

Blast from the past, including cheesetit (or is that a non pc word which gets the banz?

Ixnay on the anbay alktay. Or off to the soap box we will be sent.


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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
ubu wrote:
Toast_in_the_Machine wrote:
ubu wrote:
sungam wrote:
sungam wrote:
ubu wrote:
I'm starting to remember why I liked this place
There's a reason the reality tv gets more funding then documentaries.
I MISS THE OLD HISTORY CHANNEL ((((((

Edit to add: this is me staying wayyy tf out of whatever is going on up there ^

"Without conflict, there is no progress"

I always thought the best way for rc.com to get back on its feet would be to show soap box posts on the front page. Why hide the best part of the site?

Rc.com, come because it has "rock climbing" in the url, stay for the opinionated jerks.

Yes, but at least they are opinionated rock-climbing jerks.

less content more quote boxes [/quote

Blast from the past, including cheesetit (or is that a non pc word which gets the banz?

Ixnay on the anbay alktay. Or off to the soap box we will be sent.

that would require a mod action... something we havent seen in a while.


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Jeff bought the site at X price knowing Y stats and Z revenue. He probably realized that the site couldn't continue Y and Z with the vitriol on the site, so he made a decision to let the site die until he could make a decision between A and B.

A: after all the vitriol dies, try to revive an already functioning site by encouraging a new generation of content (users not necessarily the key driver), maybe make improvements, and get Y and Z back up so the site could be a long-term money maker.

B: If A isn't at least reasonable, find the balance between X and Z, and sell at a point where the sale price + Z (over time) > X.

A requires more work over time, but could generate much more cash in a growing sport. B requires timing and patience and not a lot of work, but could still turn a good profit. Both are perfectly reasonable. No one should assume that any of the owners ever cared about the people who generated content the site. It's always about the math first, and then after that the method to make whichever math work.

Jeff last logged in less than a week ago, which is a lot more recent than I expected to find after an absence of something like six months. His last post, however, was more than a year ago. The waiting continues.


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much of this dialogue is soooo painfully adequate for this site!

Gmburns2000 wrote:
The waiting continues.

ESTRAGON:
(giving up again). Nothing to be done.
VLADIMIR:
(advancing with short, stiff strides, legs wide apart). I'm beginning to come round to that opinion. All my life I've tried to put it from me, saying Vladimir, be reasonable, you haven't yet tried everything. And I resumed the struggle. (He broods, musing on the struggle. Turning to Estragon.) So there you are again.
ESTRAGON:
Am I?
VLADIMIR:
I'm glad to see you back. I thought you were gone forever.
ESTRAGON:
Me too.
VLADIMIR:
Together again at last! We'll have to celebrate this. But how? (He reflects.) Get up till I embrace you.
ESTRAGON:
(irritably). Not now, not now.
VLADIMIR:
(hurt, coldly). May one inquire where His Highness spent the night?
ESTRAGON:
In a ditch.

ps: one could probably do a search & replace for godot//owner// someone who cares


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happiegrrrl wrote:
There is nothing passive about my aggressiveness. It was a direct request and you have chosen to ignore it. I have flagged the three posts.

Now, leave me alone.

I have not seen anything that rises to anything near the level of harassment. Your two posts about trailer trash and corelle were distasteful, though.

Look in the mirror, happie.

I have stayed in a trailer, and I grew up using corelle. Now I'm a successful professional. Your posts were hurtful.


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Gmburns2000 wrote:
Jeff bought the site at X price knowing Y stats and Z revenue. He probably realized that the site couldn't continue Y and Z with the vitriol on the site, so he made a decision to let the site die until he could make a decision between A and B.

A: after all the vitriol dies, try to revive an already functioning site by encouraging a new generation of content (users not necessarily the key driver), maybe make improvements, and get Y and Z back up so the site could be a long-term money maker.

B: If A isn't at least reasonable, find the balance between X and Z, and sell at a point where the sale price + Z (over time) > X.

A requires more work over time, but could generate much more cash in a growing sport. B requires timing and patience and not a lot of work, but could still turn a good profit. Both are perfectly reasonable. No one should assume that any of the owners ever cared about the people who generated content the site. It's always about the math first, and then after that the method to make whichever math work.

Jeff last logged in less than a week ago, which is a lot more recent than I expected to find after an absence of something like six months. His last post, however, was more than a year ago. The waiting continues.

word on the street says jeff is no longer the owner


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ubu wrote:
I'm starting to remember why I liked this place

Yeah, me too. Anybody want to start a betting pool to see who can come closest to guessing the exact date and time that Jeff (assuming he's still the owner) will lock the thread?


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ubu wrote:
happiegrrrl wrote:
There is nothing passive about my aggressiveness. It was a direct request and you have chosen to ignore it. I have flagged the three posts.

Now, leave me alone.

I dunno, if you and Rox keep at it you might be able to singlehandedly (well, doublehandedly) revive this site.

Not if Jeff can do anything about it.


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Ah, the old mod duality. Both completely AFK yet locking threads simultaneously. Seemingly impossible, yet somehow happening.


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macherry wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Jeff bought the site at X price knowing Y stats and Z revenue. He probably realized that the site couldn't continue Y and Z with the vitriol on the site, so he made a decision to let the site die until he could make a decision between A and B.

A: after all the vitriol dies, try to revive an already functioning site by encouraging a new generation of content (users not necessarily the key driver), maybe make improvements, and get Y and Z back up so the site could be a long-term money maker.

B: If A isn't at least reasonable, find the balance between X and Z, and sell at a point where the sale price + Z (over time) > X.

A requires more work over time, but could generate much more cash in a growing sport. B requires timing and patience and not a lot of work, but could still turn a good profit. Both are perfectly reasonable. No one should assume that any of the owners ever cared about the people who generated content the site. It's always about the math first, and then after that the method to make whichever math work.

Jeff last logged in less than a week ago, which is a lot more recent than I expected to find after an absence of something like six months. His last post, however, was more than a year ago. The waiting continues.

word on the street says jeff is no longer the owner

wow, that didn't take long.


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Nice to see that the original "This place is dead!" thread that I started is still going strong after being locked and resurrected.

FWIW, the rc.com train-wreck has been both entertaining and sad to watch.

Over two years ago Jeff purchased this site. He made a big point of telling us how important the site culture was to him and how he and his wife were focused on “creating a good experience for users and staff” and “starting right now, we are here to support” the community. For the first few months Jeff sanctimoniously moderated where he saw fit and explained how his vision for the culture of the site “non-negotiable based on who I am as a person and what kind of site I want to be associated with.” I am not sure how happigrrrl and rokjox venting their spleens and demonstrating their mastery of online drama creation fits into Jeff’s vision. Since it is the only new content on the site, I am sure it is just what Jeff wanted.

I totally understand that this is Jeff’s site and he is free to do whatever he wants with it. However, I personally find the combination of his initial morally superior tone and professed focus on culture to be completely at odds with his current blatant monetization of the site and total lack of focus on site content or user experience. Based on what he has done with this site so far, it would appear that what Jeff says and what he actually does are two different things. Despite making this post, I have no interest in being a regular user here under the current management. I am sure I am not the only one that sees it this way.

I am off to the gym to work on rehabilitating my injured shoulder. I expect that this post will be deleted the next time I log in here.

Cheers!


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macherry wrote:
Gmburns2000 wrote:
Jeff bought the site at X price knowing Y stats and Z revenue. He probably realized that the site couldn't continue Y and Z with the vitriol on the site, so he made a decision to let the site die until he could make a decision between A and B.

A: after all the vitriol dies, try to revive an already functioning site by encouraging a new generation of content (users not necessarily the key driver), maybe make improvements, and get Y and Z back up so the site could be a long-term money maker.

B: If A isn't at least reasonable, find the balance between X and Z, and sell at a point where the sale price + Z (over time) > X.

A requires more work over time, but could generate much more cash in a growing sport. B requires timing and patience and not a lot of work, but could still turn a good profit. Both are perfectly reasonable. No one should assume that any of the owners ever cared about the people who generated content the site. It's always about the math first, and then after that the method to make whichever math work.

Jeff last logged in less than a week ago, which is a lot more recent than I expected to find after an absence of something like six months. His last post, however, was more than a year ago. The waiting continues.

word on the street says jeff is no longer the owner

wait, whaaat? What did he do? Pawn it for 200$ and a fake rolex?

And I for one, welcome our new absentee overlords


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sungam wrote:
Ah, the old mod duality. Both completely AFK yet locking threads simultaneously. Seemingly impossible, yet somehow happening.

If a thread is locked and no user is there to witness it, what sound does it make?




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ncrockclimber wrote:
I am off to the gym to work on rehabilitating my injured shoulder.
Ack, grim. What did you do? I am just finishing getting over a dumb ankle injury (I fell down the stairs while pretending to be a pterodactyl like an idiot). Injuries totes suck!


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Apparently the 1 starring stalkers were not amongst those who jumped ship.


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macherry wrote:

word on the street says jeff is no longer the owner

any word on who's the new owner?


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iknowfear wrote:
macherry wrote:

word on the street says jeff is no longer the owner

any word on who's the new owner?

Jeff has been totally silent on the issue. Not even confirming or denying anything.

GO


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cracklover wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
macherry wrote:

word on the street says jeff is no longer the owner

any word on who's the new owner?

Jeff has been totally silent on the issue. Not even confirming or denying anything.

GO

Fixed that for you.


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this is my 666 Post! where is Pinktricam to clense my metal soul


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iknowfear wrote:
cracklover wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
macherry wrote:

word on the street says jeff is no longer the owner

any word on who's the new owner?

Jeff has been totally silent on the issue. Not even confirming or denying anything.

GO

Fixed that for you.

Good fix. I was wondering, we know what happens to houses with absentee landlords. They end up with broken plumbing, salvaged copper pipes, and gas explosions. What's the equivalent for abandoned websites? Anyone knows how I can break off the chunk containing the climbing log? I kinda want to keep it as a souvenir...

As far as moderating goes, I am not moderating the bickering, sorry... because I don't see anything particularly harmful, and nobody is telling me otherwise. Carry on!


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climbers are like unidentified species where they just don't fit in to corporate mentality

They should leave them alone and let nature do its job


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cracklover wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
macherry wrote:

word on the street says jeff is no longer the owner

any word on who's the new owner?

Jeff has been totally silent on the issue. Not even confirming or denying anything.

GO

Jeff "Legend-In-His-Own-Mind" Widman still has rockclimbing.com listed as one of his "projects," though he may be no more attentive to his own website than he is/was to this one.


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lena_chita wrote:
I was wondering, we know what happens to houses with absentee landlords. They end up with broken plumbing, salvaged copper pipes, and gas explosions. What's the equivalent for abandoned websites?

Check out gunks.com :)


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jt512 wrote:
cracklover wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
macherry wrote:

word on the street says jeff is no longer the owner

any word on who's the new owner?

Jeff has been totally silent on the issue. Not even confirming or denying anything.

GO

Jeff "Legend-In-His-Own-Mind" Widman still has rockclimbing.com listed as one of his "projects," though he may be no more attentive to his own website than he is/was to this one.

looks like he's done some random things


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jt512 wrote:
cracklover wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
macherry wrote:

word on the street says jeff is no longer the owner

any word on who's the new owner?

Jeff has been totally silent on the issue. Not even confirming or denying anything.

GO

Jeff "Legend-In-His-Own-Mind" Widman still has rockclimbing.com listed as one of his "projects," though he may be no more attentive to his own website than he is/was to this one.

"I perpetually find myself with more projects than I have time."

Well, that's telling. The last big change was, "Hey, we're killing email!" Since that brought me here as much as anything I just stop in now and then. Maybe we should go back to the wreck!


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macherry wrote:
jt512 wrote:
cracklover wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
macherry wrote:

word on the street says jeff is no longer the owner

any word on who's the new owner?

Jeff has been totally silent on the issue. Not even confirming or denying anything.

GO

Jeff "Legend-In-His-Own-Mind" Widman still has rockclimbing.com listed as one of his "projects," though he may be no more attentive to his own website than he is/was to this one.

looks like he's done some random things
hi every1 im new webmaster!!!!!!! holds up spork my name is jeff but u can call me t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m!!!!!!!! lol…as u can see im very random!!!! thats why i came here, 2 amke a website random ppl like me _… im 13 years old (im mature 4 my age tho!!) i like 2 watch invader zim w/ my girlfreind (im str8 monoamory if u dont like it deal w/it) its our favorite tv show!!! bcuz its SOOOO random!!!! shes random 2 of course but i want 2 meet more random ppl and get ad revenue =) like they say the more the merrier (and more money!!!)!!!! lol…neways i hope 2 make alot of freinds here so give me lots of commentses and ad clicks!!!!
DOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <--- me bein random again _^ hehe…toodles!!!!!

love and waffles,

t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m


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sungam wrote:
macherry wrote:
jt512 wrote:
cracklover wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
macherry wrote:

word on the street says jeff is no longer the owner

any word on who's the new owner?

Jeff has been totally silent on the issue. Not even confirming or denying anything.

GO

Jeff "Legend-In-His-Own-Mind" Widman still has rockclimbing.com listed as one of his "projects," though he may be no more attentive to his own website than he is/was to this one.

looks like he's done some random things
hi every1 im new webmaster!!!!!!! holds up spork my name is jeff but u can call me t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m!!!!!!!! lol…as u can see im very random!!!! thats why i came here, 2 amke a website random ppl like me _… im 13 years old (im mature 4 my age tho!!) i like 2 watch invader zim w/ my girlfreind (im str8 monoamory if u dont like it deal w/it) its our favorite tv show!!! bcuz its SOOOO random!!!! shes random 2 of course but i want 2 meet more random ppl and get ad revenue =) like they say the more the merrier (and more money!!!)!!!! lol…neways i hope 2 make alot of freinds here so give me lots of commentses and ad clicks!!!!
DOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <--- me bein random again _^ hehe…toodles!!!!!

love and waffles,

t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

Pancakes, Damn it! PANCAKES!


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markc wrote:
Maybe we should go back to the wreck!

You joke, but....

I just checked and the spam there has actually disappeared (too ancient for spammers to care about it anymore) and there are actually climbers posting there again. Oh, only once every few months, but perhaps a resurgence is right around the corner LOL!

GO


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Gah, most important edit of the pasta and I missed it like a chode


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I miss this place being what it was when I found it. Had it not been for all the guys here I would have saved alot of money and skin not climbing. but I found a place to read what I was interested in. Maybe someday this place will come back to life but with all the lurking I do I don't think it will happen.

Wish I had made more friends on here back in the day cause right now I go maybe 2-3 other climbers I talk to a few times a year.


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Grew up in a trailer while my Dad was in the military.

Being called 'trash' by someone like you is a compliment.

May an 800-pound gorilla enjoy congress with you until you expire, and if you ever give birth, I want one of the puppies.


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My mother owned a trailer after her husband died. I lived in that trailer for about half a year.

One does not become "trailer trash" simply by having resided in a trailer.

Just as a person isn't labeled "white trash" because they are caucasian or a "terrorist" because the are Muslin.

Really..... are those of you who jumped on that trailer trash bandwagon that simple, or just doing it to get a response out of me?

I assume the latter, and if you are so easily entertained, now you have your response. Have at it.


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Wow I've heard "cotton kills" but yeah I agree with you "terrorist" seems a bit intense!







sorry


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You forgot something......


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happiegrrrl wrote:

Just as a person isn't labeled "white trash" because they are caucasian or a "terrorist" because the are Muslin.

Are terrorists made of cheap, burlap-like fabric?

You forgot to defend your attack on people who use and enjoy corelle.


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It was a typo, of course.


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jt512 wrote:
cracklover wrote:
iknowfear wrote:
macherry wrote:

word on the street says jeff is no longer the owner

any word on who's the new owner?

Jeff has been totally silent on the issue. Not even confirming or denying anything.

GO

Jeff "Legend-In-His-Own-Mind" Widman still has rockclimbing.com listed as one of his "projects," though he may be no more attentive to his own website than he is/was to this one.

You know, that's BET material right there. Lazy bunch of fucks.


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happiegrrrl wrote:
It was a typo, of course.

Of course it is. But you miss the broader point.

Be more careful in what you write.


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Could you explain that further, please?


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onceahardman wrote:
You forgot to defend your attack on people who use and enjoy corelle.

Corelle can kill